Not allowed to tape nursing lectures

suzanne4, RN · Feb 13, 2009

They do it for a reason, not because they are playing games.
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My question would be....and that reason is? I don't see any justifiable reason for teachers not to allow it unless they have something to hide.
I would never tape them if they said no. I agree, the poster who admitted the secret tapings needs to be careful....as you said...the internet is not as anonymous as one thinks!
It is material that they have written and they do not want others to use it in their courses more than likely as a start.
It also forces the students to pay attention in class as well as attend class.
I see nothing wrong with it at all. They actually own the information that they are presenting if you look at it that way.

suzanne4, RN · Feb 13, 2009

In our school handbook as well as our nursing program, it doesn't address the issue of recording lectures. The only thing that is "vague" is clinical...that is the instructor's sole decision.
So if the school or the program has a written policy on it, I'll be happy to follow it.
Until then, the only person in charge of my learning is me, and I'm not there to stroke the ego of any instructor. They do not discuss patients in our lecture, so HIPAA is not the reason. It's all due to "I just don't like it"...again, I'm not there to entertain ego.
It's hard to throw someone out of a program when no one knows you are doing it....thus, the purpose of keeping some things to yourself. My purse has a cell phone, the garage opener, a PDA, and a book light...the recorder blends in with all the other stuff.
Also, if these two instructors were not famous for being so disorganized, I wouldn't see the need. There is a reason why I do it for these two...and only these two.

But again, the internet is not as anonymous as one would thing. We have seen other students post like this and think that they were immune from everything and they were actually thrown out of their programs.

And it is not hard many times for other students in your program to figure out who is who. Unfortunately, it happens here as well quite often. You never want to post something here that you would not want the world to know. One can easily be found out.

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What would you do then if you went to a concert and there was a sign no recording to be made, but accidentally had your recorder on? You actually could be charged for doing that as well. It is not something taken lightly at all.

And remember that your instructors have the right now to pass you. That is their right as well.

TinkerNurse · Feb 13, 2009

Sorry, but if the insrtructors do not permit taping, what you are doing can get you thrown out of school.
They do it for a reason, not because they are playing games.
And hate to say it but the internet is not as anonymous as you might think; and you have actually just informed the world of what you are doing.
I would reconsider what you are doing or have done. Especially after you have posted for the entire world to read it. Nothing is anonymous on the internet, anyone can be found.

Why in the world do you care what this person does? :down:

suzanne4, RN · Feb 13, 2009

And as others have mentioned here, if you have no qualms in doing something that technically is illegal while a student, what are your work ethics going to be like?

You are setting yourself up for major stumbling blocks in your career before you even get started.

Very scary indeed.

TinkerNurse · Feb 13, 2009

I think you people are going a little over-board here.

caliotter3 · Feb 13, 2009

We were allowed to tape lectures and actually were encouraged to do so by our nursing faculty. The only warnings we were ever given had to do with interrupting the class to "tend" to tape recorders that were placed on the desk nearest the podium. When my daughter attended nursing school about a decade later, the "no taping" edict seemed to have become the norm. She stated that she was told that the instructors and the school enforced this rule to avoid legal responsibility for what was said.

Cilantrophobe · Feb 13, 2009

I think you people are going a little over-board here.

I totally agree.

Yes, tape recording someone without their consent is against the law, but it is an unfair law when it comes to lectures. Speeding 1 mph over the speed limit is also a law that is broken every day, not necessarily unfair but still a law. And guess what? I do it every day. What wants to question my ethical standards.

It isn't right to assume that one only wants to tape record lectures so that they don't have to pay attention, or take good notes. I have never needed to listen to a lecture I have legally taped, it is always done as a backup, in case I have missed something.

I agree that people should not treat allnurses as a safe place to share illegal secrets. Besides, who wants to be stoned by all the law-abiding citizens.

llg, PhD, RN · Feb 13, 2009

Speeding 1 mph over the speed limit is also a law that is broken every day, not necessarily unfair but still a law. And guess what? I do it every day. What wants to question my ethical standards.
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There is a big difference between driving 1 mile per hour over the speed limit ... and violating someone else's rights by taping them and stealing their material. If you can't see the difference, that doesn't mean their isn't a difference. Policement rarely give tickets to someone going 1 mile per hour over the speed limit because they recognize the difference between violations of the law that require a vigorous response and those that do not.

hubcapgirl · Feb 13, 2009

Not that I am an authority on nursing programs, but I've never heard of a no-taping rule. We are allowed to tape all of our lectures...just a little surprised.

Jolie, BSN · Feb 13, 2009

Thank you llg and suzanne4 for your explanations.

I give lectures as part of a volunteer community group that provides nurse speakers to local organizations. I will not permit taping, primarily for liability reasons. It is not a matter of my not knowing my subject matter, or presenting inaccurate information. I know my stuff and only speak on 2 topics on which I have substantial expertise. It is a matter of participants potentially not understanding the material, mis-interpreting or mis-representing information or missing information due to gaps or noises on tapes, etc. I don't want to hear via the grapevine weeks or months later that Mrs. Smith told the church group that I said XYZ, which is completely inaccurate.

There is also the matter (although it is a lesser concern to me) that the presentation has required hours (and usually days) of research and preparation and I am not willing to give that out for others to use without having bothered to attend the program. I do provide handouts, although not the entire Powerpoint, and give a complete reference list to each attendee.

If I realized that an attendee was covertly taping a lecture, I would embarrass the heck out of that person and probably not return to that group.

suzanne4, RN · Feb 13, 2009

I think you people are going a little over-board here.

Sorry that you agree that way, but in the US there are actually copy-right laws and the material that is being presented belongs to the person that is presenting it and they have the right to determine what can or cannot be done with it.

And if they state that they do not wish for it to be recorded, then that is their choice.

And a student has the right to select another instructor if they wish, but if they remain in that class, then they need to follow what the instrucor wants.

Same way that we see copy-righted material posted on this site all of the time and it gets removed for this very reason. It belongs to the person that wrote it or the publisher and one must have written permission to post it anyplace else.

It is not any different than taping music at a concert or copying a movie at the movie theater; both of these are under copyright law as well. And one would not think of doing it, at least I hope not.

Whether someone agrees or not, much preparation goes into the preparation of each and every lecture; and the material belongs to the instructor; it is not the right of the student to think that it belongs to them because they are sitting thru class.

suzanne4, RN · Feb 13, 2009

Not that I am an authority on nursing programs, but I've never heard of a no-taping rule. We are allowed to tape all of our lectures...just a little surprised.

Each program is different, just as each school is different. And they can set their own rules.

And if the teacher states no taping, and then someone does it; it is the right of the teacher to have that student removed from their class and receive a failing grade for it.

It is that serious of an issue.

And when someone comes to this site stating that they are keeping a secret, but yet bragging here for the entire world to see, then it is no longer a secret and can come back and bite them on the backside. It is find if all of your instructors approve you to tape lectures, but that is not the case all over and the wishes of the instructor need to be followed. It is not up to the student to decide what they will and will not follow.