North Shore-LIJ Requires New Nurses to Have BSN

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North Shore-LIJ Health System said today that starting Sept. 1 it will require newly hired nurses to either hold a Bachelor of Nursing Science degree or earn one within five years.

http://www.healthleadersmedia.com/content/NRS-253618/North-ShoreLIJ-Requires-New-Nurses-to-Have-BSN##

The opposite occurs too. There are plenty of BSN grads who think they are way above any ADN grad. IMO, they both took the same licensing exam and should be considered equal when it comes to being a bedside nurse.

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The opposite occurs too. There are plenty of BSN grads who think they are way above any ADN grad. IMO, they both took the same licensing exam and should be considered equal when it comes to being a bedside nurse.

It does, I am sure. However, don't forget that if an ADN or LPN is "touchy" about this topic, alll percieved slights will be "because that nurse has a BSN", NOT because they might just be an arrogant, crummy person to begin with!:twocents:

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It does, I am sure. However, don't forget that if an ADN or LPN is "touchy" about this topic, all perceived slights will be "because that nurse has a BSN", NOT because they might just be an arrogant, crummy person to begin with!:twocents:

I don't particularly care because I have a bachelors degree, will have an ADN and will eventually do RN-MSN or RN-BSN so it's all a wash for me. My ADN program has 890 clinical hours over 21 months (LTC, OB/High Risk OB/Mother&Infant, Med/Surg, Med/Surg II & OR, Peds, Rehab/Psych, and elective prectorship), which, I think, is pretty good for an ADN program (Chamberlain ADN has less then 500). So I think what I'll mostly be lacking is the informatics, population-based, and research type stuff which, honestly, doesn't matter to me (bored me to death during the few of those nursing classes I took in undergrad and I'm so thankful they will transfer to my RN-BSN or RN-MSN program).

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I don't particularly care because I have a bachelors degree, will have an ADN and will eventually do RN-MSN or RN-BSN so it's all a wash for me. My ADN program has 890 clinical hours over 21 months (LTC, OB/High Risk OB/Mother&Infant, Med/Surg, Med/Surg II & OR, Peds, Rehab/Psych, and elective prectorship), which, I think, is pretty good for an ADN program (Chamberlain ADN has less then 500). So I think what I'll mostly be lacking is the informatics, population-based, and research type stuff which, honestly, doesn't matter to me (bored me to death during the few of those nursing classes I took in undergrad and I'm so thankful they will transfer to my RN-BSN or RN-MSN program).

It all sounds good- BUT, as the topic of this thread states, you still would not meet qualifications to be hired upon your graduation at North Shore- LIJ. NO MATTER HOW MANY HOURS OF CLINICALS YOUR CC TELLS YOU THAT YOU WILL GET. Thus, this thread has been turned into a generic "ADN/Diploma -vs- BSN entry level debate. :idea:

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It all sounds good- BUT, as the topic of this thread states, you still would not meet qualifications to be hired upon your graduation at North Shore- LIJ. NO MATTER HOW MANY HOURS OF CLINICALS YOUR CC TELLS YOU THAT YOU WILL GET. Thus, this thread has been turned into a generic "ADN/Diploma -vs- BSN entry level debate. :idea:

I'd qualify - I'd just have to get one within 5 years, which they would pay for. I'll happily get any degree or certification if it is on someone else's dime so if they wish to require that - more power to them!

And when a hospital states it will only accept BSN grads, that immediately starts an ADN vs BSN debate because obviously people wonder what the BSN grad has that the ADN grad is lacking to make that requirement be put into place for bedside nursing...

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I'd qualify - I'd just have to get one within 5 years, which they would pay for. I'll happily get any degree or certification if it is on someone else's dime so if they wish to require that - more power to them!

And when a hospital states it will only accept BSN grads, that immediately starts an ADN vs BSN debate because obviously people wonder what the BSN grad has that the ADN grad is lacking to make that requirement be put into place for bedside nursing...

Do you believe, really, that if that hospital could get RN's that already have BSN's for their open positions, they would hire ADN's so the facility could pay to educate them further to meet their 5 year plan? I am skeptical. In this case, it is truly a buyers market. Lots of BSN program graduates are having difficulty finding work right now. The "difference at the bedside" would be WHATEVER THE FACILITY IN QUESTION DECIDES IT IS.

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The opposite occurs too. There are plenty of BSN grads who think they are way above any ADN grad. IMO, they both took the same licensing exam and should be considered equal when it comes to being a bedside nurse.

On AN, I see way more BSN bashing. It never fails. When the BSN is mentioned, there are nurses who can't wait to talk about the "idiot" BSN nurses they knew.

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Do you believe, really, that if that hospital could get RN's that already have BSN's for their open positions, they would hire ADN's so the facility could pay to educate them further to meet their 5 year plan? I am skeptical. In this case, it is truly a buyers market. Lots of BSN program graduates are having difficulty finding work right now. The "difference at the bedside" would be WHATEVER THE FACILITY IN QUESTION DECIDES IT IS.

Worst case scenario, I stay at my current job and have them pay for my RN-BSN like they are paying for my ADN or until I land a good RN job. Certainly can't blame anyone for hiring BSN over ADN though, especially with everyone trying to get Magnet status.

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The degree may not "make the nurse", but it does generally give a standardized idea of the level of education a grad has achieved. Only in nursing do so many routes lead to the same licensure testing! Just try to explain THAT to a layperson! It would cause a lot less confusion with applicants, facilities, and the public if there were only one basic entry level degree to become an RN.

Sad to say, I hear a lot of "sour grapes" attitudes on this board towards BSN's, as if they cannot possibly know what they are doing, compared to "ABC (fill in the blank) Community College graduates". (which, conveniently, the poster just happens to have graduated from, or knows graduates from.) There will be good and bad graduates from any accredited/approved program of nursing. It cracks me up to hear how much more "difficult your ADN program is compared to the BSN program in the region." How would you even know? If you are having difficulty and have to work hard in your program, perhaps it would be even WORSE in the BSN programs cited.

If it bothers a person so very much, get a BSN, but don't negate the achievements of others. Or, just continue to be satisfied with the level of education you have accomplished, or you will continue to seethe inside. Just my :twocents:

I just want to clarify.......I have a BSN.......I graduated cum laude from Purdue University.:nurse: The sour grapes comes from graduating from college making 4.25 cents an hour in 1979 watched this profession go to heights that I never dreamed of and now being disrespected by less experienced nurses just because they spent more money to place initials behind their name. Only recently have nurses placed BSN after thier name when I graduated we didn't because there were also diploma grads, who by the way taught me to be a nurse. I will forever be thankful for them.:redbeathe You know the saying...... BS......MS more the same......Phd....piled higher and deeper. I went school to be a nurse..... Not jocky for the next degree or higher position so I can put other people down. There was no discussion when all nurses were educated the same, we respected the experienced nurses and valued them for their irreplaceable knowledge. I seethe inside because of the arrogance of the younger nurses thinking they could possibly have the same extensive experience that I have, because they don't and a majority of what a nurse learns is at the bedside....not in a book. I agree we need a basic standard but to tell a nurse she is less of a nurse due to the lack of a degree at my age in insulting.:devil: No I don't have to work there and I won't but I don't think we need to disrespect each other because one thinks they are better because of the degree. I do resent being disrespected by a less experienced nurse just because she or he may have a degree. I love being a nurse....it frightens me sometime that we are losing who we really are and what we do.......I do not want us to educate ourselves away from the bedside.:crying2: RESPECT me for being a nurse and a nurse that has worked in the hospital setting.....critical care, emergency medicine, cardiac surgery for 31 years...............not wether or not I have a lack of ambition to spend another 40,000 dollars to get a degree I don't want or need......and choose to spend that money giving my children who are in the ninth grade..........an education without going into debt to start their lives. Respect me for surving this profession this long and being an expert in my field. I get frustrated..........but I don't seethe.......I am very happy that you have a degree but don't negate my level of expertise just because you have a degree..........I am very happy calling my self jsut a RN:nurse:

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On AN, I see way more BSN bashing. It never fails. When the BSN is mentioned, there are nurses who can't wait to talk about the "idiot" BSN nurses they knew.

It really is not bashing.....it is annoyance. We old nurses remember a time when the diploma grad was just being phased and the ADN programs were new. BSN programs were almost non existant. I remember at Purdue University it was called 2+2......ADN to BSN with an extra semester for your NP. Yes NP at the BSN Level. some of my nursing instructors did not have college degrees because they took the hospital program and placed it on the campus. Now fast forward to today. We are being disrespected with all of our bedside experience that we are no good.....that without going back to school we are not worthy of being hired or kept as valued employes. NOt many professions are so disrespectful of their learned peers. That we have anything to offer the young and new to the profession is not true and frankly r4eally pi--es me off. A degree does not make you a good nurse and when you graduate you are safe to practice nursing....... in theory..... you are by no means seasoned or experienced to handle situations. Yet there are those that pooh pooh the seasoned nurses because they are less educated............which we are not. I happen to have aBSN but I resent the implication that a BSN out of school fresh is a better nurse that I because she is not. And After orienting and teaching plenty of new grads..................both have much to learn and need to check their ego's and listen to their senior staff. A new nurse is a new nurse...........I have seen poor grads from both programs...you need to be aware of the curcriculum and the requirements of that specific school. Be respectful of those senior nurses.......we have alot of knowledge.........we are not less because some of us did not get a BSN. BUt as long as their remains so many levels to become the basic RN there will be disputes. BUt the hospitals need to start compensating for the higher education. With CCRN CEN CRNI all very expensive...a 50 cent diff seems insulting........................

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In l972 a nursing instructor told my class: "When socialized medicine comes in, they only thing that counts is a piece of paper (i.e. BSN). That was l972 and 28 years later we're still having this "I'm better" - "NO! I'm better" argument. No profession will ever evolve into an entity that LOWERS its requirements into that profession. The original post on this thread makes no value judgement about the higher degree LIJ now requires. It's just stating a fact and that fact is, to survive among increasing complexity, we're all going to need more education - doctors, nurses, mechanics, TV repairman, etc. Do we hear doctors or psychologists or veterinarians whining about their educational requirements? No...they just DO IT. It separates the wheat from the chaff. Stiffer standards also keep their numbers lower and their value higher.

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In l972 a nursing instructor told my class: "When socialized medicine comes in, they only thing that counts is a piece of paper (i.e. BSN). That was l972 and 28 years later we're still having this "I'm better" - "NO! I'm better" argument. No profession will ever evolve into an entity that LOWERS its requirements into that profession. The original post on this thread makes no value judgement about the higher degree LIJ now requires. It's just stating a fact and that fact is, to survive among increasing complexity, we're all going to need more education - doctors, nurses, mechanics, TV repairman, etc. Do we hear doctors or psychologists or veterinarians whining about their educational requirements? No...they just DO IT. It separates the wheat from the chaff. Stiffer standards also keep their numbers lower and their value higher.

HOW TRUE!:yeah:We not only devour our young.........we devour each other:crying2:

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