NO, NO, NO!!

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Different day, different crap.

Today I was screamed at by a patient for mentioning one of his admitting dx; syncope, GI bleed, acute renal failure. No one had mentioned the ARF, he assumed I had the wrong patient info. I didn't. Proceeded to explain that ARF is a common result of dehydration, a byproduct of his GI bleed. Said I would review chart for plan of care and clarify ARF dx. Patient (hysterically) not receptive to communication so I offered to contact MD to clarify. Exit.

Paged admitting doc x2 in a half hour - no call back in an hour. Got house MD who graciously came to talk with patient. He claimed patient requested nurses to come in and say "hi" and leave the "medicine speak" to the MD... Prior to the house MD being involved I paged the nursing sup to talk with upset patient, as I couldn't get an MD to call back (I've learned the hard way crap can be kicked up too). After doing so, her sage advice: page the doctor....

This is where it's gets good. Attending shows up late morning and wants to know why the patient, and 5 of his family members at the bedside, are under the impression that the patient has a diagnosis of ARF. Explain exchange with patient, show MD ER note enumerating ARF as part of DX and recite supporting lab values. (BTW he did return the page, as confirmed with his iphone, one hour later. No clerk to answer his call. I was blamed for that too.)

His response: "YOU need to fix THIS"!!!

REALLY? (THIS being the component of DX on record reflecting ARF.)

When will it end? Now the nurse is responsible for the diagnosis too (FWIW admitting lab values did support ARF)? No, No, No!

Never been one to doctor bash as I have the utmost respect for anyone who puts themselves through that process, regardless of the motivation. Now I'm changing my tune.

NO - can't change a diagnosis.

NO- won't support the fact that you, MD, didn't explain adequately to your A&Ox3 patient what was happening to him physiologically.

NO - don't subscribe to the harassment mentality predicated on nurses today.

Learned my lesson. Keep a smile on my face, speak when spoken to, it's a task oriented job, play dumb.

Got it. Take heed new nurses.

Ha ha ha, I love it. Just think of how this will revolutionize nursing. No more educating patients, discussing medications and side effects, or doing any patient care. We just have to go in and say "hi". I think I could handle that... might even pick up some overtime shifts.

Actually, I'm going forward with this mindset, with the exception of patient care. Here is my new dictate: Keep your emotional energy for those in your personal life, give your patients your utmost clinical judgement. When time does not permit, cover your ass.

In addition to this I will add; I am a bright, educated human being. I will not be abused by people or systems. Nursing is not rocket science. I am over qualified for this job.

Specializes in Neuro ICU/Trauma/Emergency.

Well, you speak as a seasoned nurse, according to your last statement. Therefore, this patient's response should be nothing new to you. According to some patients, nurses are nothing more than glorified CNAs. For those patients, I simply do as s/he requests ,and simply monitor vitals. If a patient refuses medication, counsel, etc...What can you do? Leave the job to the MD!

Specializes in Critical Care.

Why was the patient freaking out though?

Was it because you - the RN - gave him this information and he's part of the "old school" where the patient wants to gets all the dx from the doc offically or was he just upset about having ARF?

Why was the patient freaking out though?

Was it because you - the RN - gave him this information and he's part of the "old school" where the patient wants to gets all the dx from the doc offically or was he just upset about having ARF?

Don't know. Patient didn't want to communicate with me (nor I with him) regarding dx, however subsequent unrelated interaction with said patient was pleasant. Actually my impression was he was a bit sheepish.

Possibly the pt only heard blah, blah renal failure. Since no one explained the dx, namely a doctor, someone might freak out just a little bit. Not that you couldn't explain adequately, but in his head maybe he just heard a death sentence.

Pinkfluffybunny i agree. This is why I'm going forward as the nurse who smiles and nods, as if I can't read or understand English. Limited communication is my new motto.

Here is my new work model: safety, complete charting, figure it out/that's not my job/I'll call someone who can help you mentality all while saying as little as possible RN.

Specializes in I/DD.
Here is my new dictate: Keep your emotional energy for those in your personal life, give your patients your utmost clinical judgement. When time does not permit, cover your ass.

Well said. I find that I save my "caring" for the patients that want it. That may make me look like a terrible nurse on paper. It doesn't meant that I ignore the ones that look for reasons to take their frustration out on me. They will receive the very best clinical care, but if I need to take a step back then that is what I will do. At this point in my life/career I am not equipped to go the extra mile for every patient that I care for.

Yep more and more I learn that it is better to focus on the tasks. Was arf a definite diagnosis or a differential diagnosis? What exactly did the attending want you to "fix"? I would say that in general where i work the doctors do a terrible job of telliing patients all that is going on with them and nursing is left to pick of the pieces. ( why am I npo, why am I getting this med, Why do i need that test?)

Guttercat - I think there is a lot of power in playing dumb. Think about it. You still do your job to the best of your abilities and move on. Unless management wants to blame you for the rain or a snow storm, no harm - no fowl. Thats what I'm looking for.

350 pound diabetic looking for pie? OK. Don't care because if I try and "teach you" you will be offended and I will be screwed. I'm ok with that. Again, task oriented. If I can complete my tasks as dictated by my computer oriented list then I have successfully completed my shift. It's the dumbing down of nursing. I'm good with that but don't make me accountable when the crap hits the fan because it's convenient and you can.

Exactly I will gladly bring the diabetic sugary treats. But if I am getting screamed at for educating them I don't want to hear one word of how it is our fault when he/she needs an amputation on the next admission.

Learned my lesson. Keep a smile on my face, speak when spoken to, it's a task oriented job, play dumb.Got it. Take heed new nurses.
Exactly one of the reasons I believe Nursing is dysfunctional.

Some of the nurses I see who routinely leave defeated and are at the edge of burn out are the ones who try to do teaching and put in more effort, going above and beyond, looking though the chart, lab values, alerting drs to possible issues that they might have missed etc... some times that is greatly appreciated other times it is not at all, or leads to situations like the op was in. The nurses who just try to do tasks or don't even care are some of the ones who have the better shifts and seem less stressed out.

One approach would be to say "The ER doctor diagnosed such-and-such", rather than "You have such-and such". Subtly allows room for differing physician opinion, doesn't pin the attending down so much. But it looks like the attending missed some important details and is turning it around to be your mistake.

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