NO MORE pre reqs to the pre reqs!!!

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In California anyway! Thanks to a bill AB 705 :) you can enroll in any class you want in community college. If you're using financial aid this may not apply to you, I'm self funding so it's awesome news for me! Some might've already made this post, if I repeated. If you skeptical, google the bill.

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If you mean tanking general biology as a prerequisite to microbiology, which is a prerequisite to anatomy and physiology 1, etc., I don't think that that is what this bill will do. What it will do is prohibit the community college from placing you in a remedial level course prior to taking college level mathematics or English course that is transferable to a university program.

From the From the California Community Colleges' Assessment and Placement page:

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AB 705 was written to clarify existing regulation and ensure that students are not placed into remedial courses that may delay or deter their educational progress unless evidence suggests they are highly unlikely to succeed in the college-level course. Assessment instruments and placement policies have serious implications for equity, as students of color are far more likely to be placed into remedial courses; students placed into remediation are much less likely to reach their educational goals.

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Text of the bill:

AB-705 Seymour-Campbell Student Success Act of 2012: matriculation: assessment.(2017-2018)

Best wishes.

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Specializes in Ambulatory (Urgent care) & Home Health.

Nope! You can take anatomy. No pre req, call a community college and ask.

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Nope! You can take anatomy. No pre req, call a community college and ask.

What the law's intent is and how it's being interpreted by local community colleges can (and appears to be) two completely different things... Chare is correct that the bill was never intended to remove necessary and appropriate pre-reqs from advanced level courses -- BUT if they are removing their pre-reqs classes and you can take the courses thus saving you time and money then go for it.. no one is going to hate :)

"AB 705 was written to clarify existing regulation and ensure that students are not placed into remedial courses that may delay or deter their educational progress unless evidence suggests they are highly unlikely to succeed in the college-level course. Assessment instruments and placement policies have serious implications for equity, as students of color are far more likely to be placed into remedial courses; students placed into remediation are much less likely to reach their educational goals.

Evidence suggests that community colleges are placing too many students into remediation and that significantly more students would complete transfer requirements in math and English if enrolled directly in transfer-level English and math courses. Research suggests that when used as the primary criterion for placement, assessment tests tend to under-place students; and a student's high school performance is a much stronger predictor of success in transfer-level courses rather than standardized placement tests."

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Chare, you are correct... I'm currently working through my prereqs at a CA cc and there are prereqs for my prereqs. Anatomy and physio are two separate courses at my school, and to be allowed to enrolled in physio you must have completed chemistry and anatomy. To get into that chemistry, you need to have completed intermediate algebra.

This bill just means that you don't have to take remedial algebra to enroll in intermediate algebra but really doesn't do much for nursing students that need advanced science courses.

And to be honest, as impacted and competitive as CA nursing schools are, you're setting yourself up for failure and not getting ahead by trying to get into the nursing science prerequisites without a grasp on algebra and in most cases, chemistry. Anatomy sure, all it is is memorization and an enormous time commitment, but there's no way to go on to physio (at my CA cc) without chem and algebra. You'll simply be dropped from the course if you try to enroll.

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This starts spring of 2019, so of course you're taking pre reqs to the pre reqs right now. I attend West LA College, they are allowing you to enroll in any class right now. Like I said before it might not change if you're using financial aid. I've never taken a college class, I was allowed to enroll in anatomy, with NO PRE REQS. That helps me an a lot of other pre nursing students, it'll save time. You don't need to take math before chemistry, you can go straight to chem now.

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Not up here. í ¾í´·*♀️ There is no (and never was) a prereq for anatomy, but there is for physio, and chem in the school catalog for spring 2019.

It doesn't make sense for there to not be prereqs for physio. You can't pass a class like physio that is dependent on your previous knowledge in anatomy. I've read the law you are talking about, but it only specifically talks about remedial math and English. Obviously there are variations at schools, but there is no blanket erasure of all prereqs for all classes. It would make no sense. Not only would people be set up for failure, they are going to impact classes worse than they already are when underqualified students fill the seats of a class they will have to fail or drop.

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Also, the law took affect Jan 1, 2018. So this current semester is the same as it will be next semester as far as statewide laws go.

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...I was allowed to enroll in anatomy, with NO PRE REQS. That helps me an a lot of other pre nursing students, it'll save time. You don't need to take math before chemistry, you can go straight to chem now.

Maybe, maybe not. The prerequisite courses serve many functions. First, as in the example in my first post, they ensure that you have the proper educational foundation as you progress in your coursework. If you are successful in the higher level coursework, then this isn't a concern. Secondly, many nursing programs might require that in addition to anatomy you have the courses that are listed as prerequisite. If you haven't done so, you might consider reviewing the lost of prerequisites for the nursing programs you are considering.

Best wishes.

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Specializes in Ambulatory (Urgent care) & Home Health.

No the law passed in 1/2018 it went into affect in spring of 2019. However, I'll let it go. For anyone else that wants to start pre reqs and avoid taking classes before the class you need in LA. Call west LA college :)

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No the law passed in 1/2018 it went into affect in spring of 2019. However, I'll let it go. For anyone else that wants to start pre reqs and avoid taking classes before the class you need in LA. Call west LA college :)

I'm wondering if you're trolling because your information is blantantly wrong. In your OP you said to google it if we're skeptical. I did and the facts about AB 705 do not match up with what you are saying.

From the attached link:

"AB 705 is a bill signed by the Governor on October 13, 2017 that took effect on January 1, 2018."

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I'm wondering if you're trolling because your information is blantantly wrong. In your OP you said to google it if we're skeptical. I did and the facts about AB 705 do not match up with what you are saying.

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I don't think she's trolling as she's been a member for 10 years. I do think she is misreading or misunderstands the bill as written.

OP, pehaps you would post a link to your source?

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