Cup Feeding Strikes Again!

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So I had this lovely little guy, about 3700 grams, term, some meconium staining at birth, otherwise completely boring pregnancy and lady partsl delivery. He had some low blood sugars (which we call chemstrips or chems where I work), so they followed their protocal (the chem was still like in the 40's) and put the baby to breast and rechecked, well, turns out the average woman cannot really produce enough milk at hours after birth to raise that kind of blood sugar (sarcasm intended). So they followed their protocol and gave him formula, by cup, because we don't want nipple confusion. Problem is you can only really cup feed so much so he was getting about 20-30mls per feed.

I can understand this if it's like a one time event and gets the kid over the hump, but he had recurring low chems and when he finally dipped under 35 he bought himself a gavage feed and an admission to NICU. Of course we NICU folks aren't quite as concerned about nipple confusion as we are about say; brain damage so we proceeded to bottle feed the kid. So his lowest blood sugar during his entire admission was 63. He wolfs down 60-90 mls of either formula or breastmilk (turns out his mom's milk came in pretty early and abundant). We have had several admissions to our unit that could have been prevented had our General Nursery been permitted to use a bottle (cup feeding only used for babies that moms state want to breastfeed).

So to prevent the threat of nipple confusion this kid had to spend hours separated from his mother until we established that his blood sugars were stable whereupon we started having her breastfeed followed by a pc bottle. He will be going home a day late due to this silliness.

I am so frustrated with cup feeding !!!!!! We are getting frequent admissions of kids who develop tachypnea or resp distress after cup feeding (can you say aspiration?). I know I've ranted about this before, but here I go again.

Specializes in NICU, Telephone Triage.
So I had this lovely little guy, about 3700 grams, term, some meconium staining at birth, otherwise completely boring pregnancy and lady partsl delivery. He had some low blood sugars (which we call chemstrips or chems where I work), so they followed their protocal (the chem was still like in the 40's) and put the baby to breast and rechecked, well, turns out the average woman cannot really produce enough milk at hours after birth to raise that kind of blood sugar (sarcasm intended). So they followed their protocol and gave him formula, by cup, because we don't want nipple confusion. Problem is you can only really cup feed so much so he was getting about 20-30mls per feed.

I can understand this if it's like a one time event and gets the kid over the hump, but he had recurring low chems and when he finally dipped under 35 he bought himself a gavage feed and an admission to NICU. Of course we NICU folks aren't quite as concerned about nipple confusion as we are about say; brain damage so we proceeded to bottle feed the kid. So his lowest blood sugar during his entire admission was 63. He wolfs down 60-90 mls of either formula or breastmilk (turns out his mom's milk came in pretty early and abundant). We have had several admissions to our unit that could have been prevented had our General Nursery been permitted to use a bottle (cup feeding only used for babies that moms state want to breastfeed).

So to prevent the threat of nipple confusion this kid had to spend hours separated from his mother until we established that his blood sugars were stable whereupon we started having her breastfeed followed by a pc bottle. He will be going home a day late due to this silliness.

I am so frustrated with cup feeding !!!!!! We are getting frequent admissions of kids who develop tachypnea or resp distress after cup feeding (can you say aspiration?). I know I've ranted about this before, but here I go again.

This makes me want to SCREAM!!! In my new unit, the order was to dropper feed a baby BID. I've never done it, never will. Refused to do it...he wouldn't bottle feed yet...so he got gavaged. I don't want babies aspirating for ME!! They can write me up, don't care. This is a nurse who will not cup or finger or dropper feed. They can either breast, bottle or gavage feed when I'm on.

Specializes in NICU, Telephone Triage.
Nipple confusion does exist. I tried to breast feed my baby in the hospital and he wouldn't eat. The nurses kept bothering me and making me nervous and asking if he had breastfed yet. It was really making me angry because they were feeding him formula behind my back and so he was never hungry. Because of this it took me about a week and a half to get breastfeesing my son fully established.

For most healthy babies, they can breast and bottle feed. It usually takes a week or 2 to get br. feeding established even if that's all they've had. It's not easy sometimes.

Specializes in OBGYN, Neonatal.

Curious!

I am soon to be a NICU nurse (start job in September) but this is a question as a mom...LOL

When I had my son he was 11.4 lbs (yup I'm a diabetic, type I since age 12). Good control through pregnancy HA1c of 5.9/6) but he was still big. Anyway, b/c his blood sugar was low they admitted him to the NICU. They put him on IV and monitored his blood sugar until it was stabilized. Now we did say we wanted to breastfeed but we gave him bottles too b/c in my opinion I'd rather him have some nipple confusion and get stabilized quicker than slow down his progress...ya know what I mean?

Anyway...I wonder now if they could have just had him in the regular nursery? Must have been a protocol thing there. But odd. We only ever got one or two successful latches going forward and he was not happy with it (not fast enough I guess LOL) but I don't think it was just b/c he got bottles right away. Could be, but I'm not upset over it, you know- I'm just glad he survived and is doing great! He is an 18 month old boy full of energy!

I guess my question is...there is a law saying you can't use bottles if they want to breastfeed? Wow! I never would have thought that. I mean I understand the fear but YIPES. I'd be worried about cup feeding too. I do remember now that our pediatrician told us about cup feeding when he was about a week old but it looked too "odd" to me...and just not really comfortable.

Specializes in OBGYN, Neonatal.
So midwives don't test the infants of diabetic moms? Or LGAs, SGAs or preemies? And how "high risk" are you talking?

How do you know those babies didn't suffer any harm? Where harm from low blood sugar shows up is in learning disabilities and maybe autism.

As far as "our Grandmothers" doing it that way - - - people used to live in extended families and/or groups. There was usually a lactating woman around to feed the screaming/starving infant when the mother's milk hadn't come in yet and the colostrum wasn't enough or the mom just couldn't produce for any reason. The rich had wetnurses. Today we have bottles.

Thank goodness our hospital doesn't allow any of those nutty "alternative" feeding practices, although the Lactation consultants still try to pull a fast one now and then. One of our long term preemies visited a while ago- the LC got her to syringe feed the kid after discharge and a year later she was still being fed by syringe!

Then there's the practice of giving IV fluids instead of that nasty unnatural bottle when the mom wants to breastfeed exclusively and the kid needs hydration. An IV is soooo much more natural.

In 20 years of neonatal care, the "nipple confusion" I've seen has been the result of flat or inverted nipples that the kid just can't get a latch onto. It's not confusion, it's physiology.

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Yeah I think in my case it would be a necessary evil. I'm a type 1 diabetic and my son was born with low blood sugar. But they (and I) kind of expected it so we were prepared for what might be done (he had an IV, admitted to NICU, returned to me 24 hours later). But I'm guessing that back in the day of my grandmother quite a few babies of diabetic mothers did not survive either b/c of lack of needed prenatal care for a diabetic mom or lack of knowledge about how to care for an LGA infant of a diabietc mommy.

Scary stuff!

Specializes in nursery, L and D.

I've heard that the new recommendations are for a otherwise health pregnancy that may end with a baby with an unstable blood sugar is that for mom to pump starting at 38weeks. This is so the baby can get cup/dropper/gavaged with colostrum instead of formula so as not to disturb the ph of the gut. Thought this was kind of interesting and it kinda fit here!

Specializes in Maternal - Child Health.
Curious!

Anyway...I wonder now if they could have just had him in the regular nursery? Must have been a protocol thing there. But odd. We only ever got one or two successful latches going forward and he was not happy with it (not fast enough I guess LOL) but I don't think it was just b/c he got bottles right away. Could be, but I'm not upset over it, you know- I'm just glad he survived and is doing great! He is an 18 month old boy full of energy!

I guess my question is...there is a law saying you can't use bottles if they want to breastfeed? Wow! I never would have thought that. I mean I understand the fear but YIPES. I'd be worried about cup feeding too. I do remember now that our pediatrician told us about cup feeding when he was about a week old but it looked too "odd" to me...and just not really comfortable.

I suspect that the reason your son went to NICU for stabilization of his blood sugars was primarily due to your history of diabetes. If he had been a run-of-the-mill full-term baby with one or two low blood sugars, it is possible that he might have been managed in the well-baby nursery. Your having diabetes makes stabilizing his blood sugar much trickier, especially in the first 24 hours, so starting a continuous IV of dextrose was really the safest and best way to manage his care.

Glad to hear he is healthy!

I've heard that the new recommendations are for a otherwise health pregnancy that may end with a baby with an unstable blood sugar is that for mom to pump starting at 38weeks. This is so the baby can get cup/dropper/gavaged with colostrum instead of formula so as not to disturb the ph of the gut. Thought this was kind of interesting and it kinda fit here!

I though breast stimulation like this was contraindicated in late pregnancy?

If u start at 38 weeks, you could be leading to preterm labor for a 36weeker (if dates are inaccurate.)

Specializes in Maternal - Child Health.
I though breast stimulation like this was contraindicated in late pregnancy?

If u start at 38 weeks, you could be leading to preterm labor for a 36weeker (if dates are inaccurate.)

To my knowledge, it is not contra-indicated in a healthy, term pregnancy. I suppose that there may be some risk of error in dates, but I don't think that would affect a significant percentage of patients. Heck, it might even help to do away with "convenience" inductions!

you should not stimulate the nipples untill term by pumping. It can trigger contractions. not a good idea. I had a breast reduction after my first but before 2, 3,and 4. I did manage to partiually feed the three youngest, but there wasnt alot. Although i do wonder because they were never dehydrated, and i know the signs. they were having 6 to 8 wet nap a day and had great bm s as well. I guess i will necer truely know, but to me they had the best of both worlds. Number four still looks at them longingly and he was weaned at 6 months. hehehe hes a boob man

Specializes in NICU, PICU, educator.

Your baby was probably in NICU because of the fluids...our normal nursery refuses to take kids with an IV and frequent checks.

Specializes in nursery, L and D.
I though breast stimulation like this was contraindicated in late pregnancy?

If u start at 38 weeks, you could be leading to preterm labor for a 36weeker (if dates are inaccurate.)

Yeah, thats why they say 38 weeks. I would want to have very good dates if I was gonna try this. But for folks with a hx of babies that are poor breast feeders, and diabetic, I guess it could work.

Specializes in Community, OB, Nursery.

Um, please pardon my bluntness, but I have a feeling that lots of people are doing DIY breast stimulation at home, if you catch my drift, with or without contraindications.

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