Newly Registered Nurse (Philippines) : How to register in Board of Nurses in Victoria

Silverdragon102, BSN · Jul 7, 2008

As per the red banner moved this to the International forum as asking about moving and working in Australia

suzanne4, RN · Jul 8, 2008

hello! i also come from the Philippines. I would like to ask if the nursing board of western australia has no bias against second coursers as well as those with only six months experience as a trainee? I would really appreciate your reply! TY! :wink2:

They require minimum of a full year of experience as a start. And it will depend on your second courser program; length of it, etc. Not all programs are going to be accepted. And do be aware that most of the training programs do not meet the requirements for work experience as the patients are not yours and under your license, and this is considered a training program. Training programs do not earn credit for work experience. Also many of the procedures are not done by the nurse in these training programs as well.

suzanne4, RN · Jul 8, 2008

I have my ielts and my score is 7 with 7.5 in Listening, 6.5 in Reading, 6.5 in Writing and 7 in Speaking does anyone know if this will be alright to apply in Victoria? Because i have read in their faq that they have this 6.5 in both listening and reading, 7 in both writing or speaking with total of 7. Mine is not like that, would it be okay?

Those scores will not be accepted by any state in Australia. They never make any exceptions to the requirements for language.

Your writing score is not high enough and they will consider the reading skill weak, you really need to have a better score with that to be able to function in the hosptials there or anywhere else.

justinRN · Jul 8, 2008

I guess I need 15 posts!hehe

Anyway, the term second courser --- shouldn't be an issue because all courses that lead to an RN registration here in the Phil. is a bachelors degree. Meaning it is considered a four year course. So If you happened to have a degree prior to taking up nursing it just lessens the length of the RN course simply because most of subjects are credited to your RN course. So bottom line is all nursing programs in the Phil. will lead to a four year BSN-RN diploma and the there is no such thing as short program or even termed as second courser (MISNOMER). So I guess its just a matter of how you present your TOR to Victoria or even New Zealand for that matter. These regulatory bodies have not even a clue of what is a 2nd courser---I think they have just misread the transcript.

Also, I would like to point out that if there were any short programs in Phil nursing, the student would have a problem in getting a Commission on Higher Education(CHED) "SPECIAL ORDER no.". and to get this CHED SO no.--CHED requires a specific number of hours in the hospital,plus OR-DR required duties. So all nursing programs are uniform.

justinRN · Jul 8, 2008

English language competence

IELTS - minimum score of 6.5 in Reading and Listening and

a score of at least seven (7) in Writing and Speaking with an

overall band score of seven (7) or greater.

Originally Posted by yeiah"hello! i also come from the Philippines. I would like to ask if the nursing board of western australia has no bias against second coursers as well as those with only six months experience as a trainee? I would really appreciate your reply! TY! Copy%20of%20wink.gif "

Just make sure your transcript has this: Graduated the four year course in nursing leading to the degree of BSN..As per S.O. number.......Dated......

Stated at the end of your transcript.

experience: if you have a problem with qualifying for assessment in Western Au---pls try Queensland Nursing Council---www.qnc.qld.gov.au . .they dont require experience but you need to be registered with PRC.Plus, the bridging program can be fast tracked and can be done on-line. Good luck you

suzanne4, RN · Jul 8, 2008

I guess I need 15 posts!hehe
Anyway, the term second courser --- shouldn't be an issue because all courses that lead to an RN registration here in the Phil. is a bachelors degree. Meaning it is considered a four year course. So If you happened to have a degree prior to taking up nursing it just lessens the length of the RN course simply because most of subjects are credited to your RN course. So bottom line is all nursing programs in the Phil. will lead to a four year BSN-RN diploma and the there is no such thing as short program or even termed as second courser (MISNOMER). So I guess its just a matter of how you present your TOR to Victoria or even New Zealand for that matter. These regulatory bodies have not even a clue of what is a 2nd courser---I think they have just misread the transcript.
Also, I would like to point out that if there were any short programs in Phil nursing, the student would have a problem in getting a Commission on Higher Education(CHED) "SPECIAL ORDER no.". and to get this CHED SO no.--CHED requires a specific number of hours in the hospital,plus OR-DR required duties. So all nursing programs are uniform.

Sorry, but the regulatory agencies in Australia are very aware of what is going on in your country at this time, the same way that the BONs in the US and Canada are aware of the same as well.

Australia requires that one complete three years of training in an approved school of nursing, if a second courser program that is less than that, then it does not meet the requirements. Same way that not all BSNs from the Philippines are accepted by Canada and the US as well.

There have been documented issues with some of the second courser programs in your country, and it actually resulted in VSCs being cancelled the and green card being voided for falsifying transcripts. This has been well documented.

You are required to meet the standards and requirements of the country where you wish to work. Never assume that your training is going to be accepted all over, it is not. And if you spend some time reading, you will see that your government is actually trying to do away with the second courser programs being offered there as there have been problems with the training, etc., at a majority of them.

Please do not post that the BONs do not know anything about what is going on in your country, that is as far from being true that it can possibly be. They are more aware of what is going on, just as we are here, than many of you that are actually in your country.

With the number that are enrolled in programs now and no work there for them, and Australia requiring the local license as well as a year of experience, it is not going to be easy for too many to actually get there. And from what we are seeing lately, they also are requiring paid experience as an RN, not a volunteer or training program.

suzanne4, RN · Jul 8, 2008

English language competence
IELTS - minimum score of 6.5 in Reading and Listening and
a score of at least seven (7) in Writing and Speaking with an
overall band score of seven (7) or greater.
Originally Posted by yeiah"hello! i also come from the Philippines. I would like to ask if the nursing board of western australia has no bias against second coursers as well as those with only six months experience as a trainee? I would really appreciate your reply! TY! "

Just make sure your transcript has this: Graduated the four year course in nursing leading to the degree of BSN..As per S.O. number.......Dated......
Stated at the end of your transcript.

experience: if you have a problem with qualifying for assessment in Western Au---pls try Queensland Nursing Council---www.qnc.qld.gov.au . .they dont require experience but you need to be registered with PRC.Plus, the bridging program can be fast tracked and can be done on-line. Good luck you

And sorry, but this is not how things are done. One does not list things, it is what is shown on the transcripts. And if it was not a full four year program, then it is not going to be called that. Or it is considered falsifying documents and is immediate grounds to be banned from a country.

The actual courses that were completed in the school of nursing is what is listed, and those hours need to meet the requirements of the state or the country.

But since you have not gone thru the evaluation, nor have been accepted by them, suggest that you do not offer advice on how to do something if it is not correct by any shape or form.

Much has already been posted on getting thru the process with Australia and by people that have actually done it. And not one of them agrees with what you have posted here. People come here and use this site as a source of information, please be sure that what you are posting is factual and has actually occurred, not what is just another rumor or hearsay in your country.

justinRN · Jul 8, 2008

ok--thank you for the insight. But may I ask your permission to make a point? I'll will be polite ma'am.:specs:promise!

I really would like to say that falsifying transcript documents is another thing. That action is really to the extreme and VSCs, greencard, etc will be canceled tor voided.

I was just saying that you cannot receive a BSN degree in the Philippines(legally)if it is not a four year course.Unless you bought a transcript off recto ave. The 1st course and the 2nd course are all summed up together, thats is why the nursing program may look shorter(lesser major & minor subj). That is in the CHED Curriculum

http://www.ched.gov.ph/policies/CMO2008/CMO%20No.%205%20s.%202008%20new.pdf

http://www.ched.gov.ph/

proving that there is no short program for 2nd coursers--only a 4year BSN program.

I do apologize for saying that the BON's are clueless.. I will lay facts and not misleads next time around. Thank you.

suzanne4, RN · Jul 8, 2008

ok--thank you for the insight. But may I ask your permission to make a point? I'll will be polite ma'am.:specs:promise!
I really would like to say that falsifying transcript documents is another thing. That action is really to the extreme and VSCs, greencard, etc will be canceled tor voided.
I was just saying that you cannot receive a BSN degree in the Philippines(legally)if it is not a four year course.Unless you bought a transcript off recto ave. The 1st course and the 2nd course are all summed up together, thats is why the nursing program may look shorter(lesser major & minor subj). That is in the CHED Curriculum
http://www.ched.gov.ph/policies/CMO2008/CMO%20No.%205%20s.%202008%20new.pdf
http://www.ched.gov.ph/
proving that there is no short program for 2nd coursers--only a 4year BSN program.
I do apologize for saying that the BON's are clueless.. I will lay facts and not misleads next time around. Thank you.

It is still not counted as a full four year degree by some countries and this is the point that I am trying to make to you. If one gets their initial Bachelor''s degree in a non-related subject, then they are not going to have three years in an actual School of Nursing, and this is what the requirement is.

Same way that accelerated programs in the US are not accepted either.

If there is not a full three years of coursework in an actual approved School of Nursing then all countries do not even have to consider someone. Same way that not all of the these programs are accepted even in the US.

Your country is actually removing quite a few of the second courser programs right now for shady experience and not enough clinical experience, plus for unskilled instructors.

A second courser program is not the same as the full four year BSN in terms of hours and that is what you are not understanding, and my point.

ijarache · Jul 22, 2008

May I ask what is meant by "Bachelor's degree in a non-related subject?" I have finished 2 courses. First is dentistry, next is a 4 year BS Nursing degree. I completed BS Nursing for 3 years because some subjects (such as religion, P.E., history, etc) were credited from my DDM degree.

I enrolled a 4 year BSN in our school because there is no such thing as "BSN for second coursers" in our school. Fresh graduates from secondary school, shifters and mutiple-degree holders are COMBINED IN A CLASS and follows THE SAME NURSING CURRICULUM that is approved by CHED.

With my experience, being denied by Nursing Council of ##, I felt descriminated because I did not do any foolishness (swear to God) with my studies:saint:. Whatever negative hearsay that is going around about nursing in our country, it definitely does not include me. This is what Nursing Councils around the world must keep in mind, assess and veryify first before denying. They are paid to do their work:nono:. What I did was I enrolled to a prestigious school in our country (2nd level PACUCOA accredited), studied well, became a consistent scholar for having high grades, higher grades than my classmates who got approved by the Nursing Council of ## (only because they did not finish any other course other than nursing):uhoh21:. I have worked very hard towards my goal and enrolled the subjects which my prestigious school has advised me to take. How can they deny me? It is very wierd that having studied too much, "impure nurse as they say", makes me ineligible for becoming a registered nurse in ##:chuckle. A friend of mine was emailed by the overseas registration division saying that they ask for "pure" bachelor of nursing for Philippine applicants. This pure issue was not even reflected on their website which makes thousands of Filipino applicants apply and pay the fees and get surprised later on. This will have a tremendous effect in our economy, having hundreds or maybe thousands of nurses applying to them. What is Competence Assessment Program for if I will not be given a chance to show my competency? :confused:

Haven't they checked very well my transcript? :uhoh3: I have paid almost Php17,000 (forgot the exact price) :banghead: , they should have made investigations and strict verification of my credentials before denying me:nono:. In God's name, my transcript is authentic and achieved through hardwork:saint:.

Anyway, I have filed an appeal, but im not hoping for a positive result. I have not heard of any reverted decision. I'll try other countries that will accept me, while waiting for my petition for US. For your information, CGFNS has issued me a Visascreen certificate proving that I have all the qualifications of a safe nurse:nurse:. Ehem.

Frusrated that I may sound, I will not give up on my dreams. Only losers give up :yeah: .

suzanne4, RN · Jul 22, 2008

Sorry that they did not approve your credentials, they can set what ever requirements that they wish. It is not up to anyone else to tell them what they should be doing and what they should not be doing.

Getting registration in a country still never guarantees that one will be able to get a visa and actually work there. Licensure and immigration are two very distinct areas in each and every country.

Best of luck to you.

-------------------------Bachelor's in a non-related subject could be a degree in English or Spanish, or as a teacher. Something that is non-related to health-care, think accountant or attorney, or even judge.

Because you have the training as an dentist, that may have been against you as well. Your country is trying to prevent a brain drain of physicians and dentists at this time.

andyRN_16 · Jul 23, 2008

hi everyone! i just want to ask if in case I get permitted to do a bridging course program, do I have to pay the fee immediately before flying to Australia?

thanks.