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I have recently seen a new commercial on TV... for the Plan B!
I know this is a VERY controversial issue, I'm just curious where we, as a community of nurses or nurses - to - be, stand on this issue - especially advertising it on TV???
Please, remember to be nice - NO personal attacks, just professionals speaking as so.
I am not sure if this has been pointed out yet, I have not yet read all of the post , but Plan B does not cause an abortion in any way, it merely prevents implantation; just like oral contraceptives. If the woman is already pregnant the pill will not do anything. It is no different than doubling up on your birth control for two days when you forgot to take your pill two days in a row. It more for women that do not take oral contraceptives or take the patch and forgot to put on a new one (why I had to take it once). Yes, like some one pointed out, we are suppose to be nonpartisan as nurses, but I much rather have them advertise this pill so more women know about it and use this instead of having an actual abortion after it is too late for "Plan B". Waiting to see a doctor may be too long, the pill needs to be taken within 72 hours after conception. And its not like they just walk up to the drug store and take it off the shelf like ASA, they have to have a consultation with the pharmacist (at least I did here in California).
i am not sure if this has been pointed out yet, i have not yet read all of the post , but plan b does not cause an abortion in any way, it merely prevents implantation; just like oral contraceptives. if the woman is already pregnant the pill will not do anything. it is no different than doubling up on your birth control for two days when you forgot to take your pill two days in a row. it more for women that do not take oral contraceptives or take the patch and forgot to put on a new one (why i had to take it once). yes, like some one pointed out, we are suppose to be nonpartisan as nurses, but i much rather have them advertise this pill so more women know about it and use this instead of having an actual abortion after it is too late for "plan b". waiting to see a doctor may be too long, the pill needs to be taken within 72 hours after conception. and its not like they just walk up to the drug store and take it off the shelf like asa, they have to have a consultation with the pharmacist (at least i did here in california).
hi - actually we have been talking about our differing definitions of when life begins and many of us believe that is at conception, prior to implantation.
so, if that life is thwarted from implanting in the uterus, that life dies.
people on the other side of the issue want it to be black and white too . . . where, as many have also pointed out, it can be gray.
maybe my daughter's experience was not normal -although there was one other poster who encountered the same thing . . shoving a brown paper bag with condoms and two boxes of plan b into teenagers' hands as they left the clinic, with absolutely no instructions.
as a wacko christian i think the soul is there from conception - that a fertilized egg is a unique human being. so it is hard to reconcile making the environment harsh in order to keep the egg from implanting.
i'm not trying to convince anyone here - just want to show where i'm coming from. why i don't like plan b.
as to the ads . . . .i don't like any ads for personal things like that . . as i mentioned, we've got many threads here about disliking condom ads and lady partsl itching ads and "abilify" ads and erectile dysfunction ads ("if your erection last for longer than 4 hours" . . .. .what does that mean mommy?):wink2:
steph
Because most people who gripe about other people's lives truly do not care to take the time to think critically about how complex some of life's decisions are. Life is grey and some people don't have the intelligence to realize that.
Ding ding, we have a winner. It truly is a shame that so many people actively want to disregard and ignore life's complexities. It's too bad, but all we can do is be a force to the contrary, and try to help people realize that life itself and all its conditions are subject to change.
Ding ding, we have a winner. It truly is a shame that so many people actively want to disregard and ignore life's complexities. It's too bad, but all we can do is be a force to the contrary, and try to help people realize that life itself and all its conditions are subject to change.
It is complex on both sides of the issue.
I don't think anyone holds all the cards in this discussion. I respect your viewpoint and can understand it.
I grew up with parents who said (Dad) "You are free, white and 21 and can do whatever you want". (Mom) "Circumstances alter ALL cases".
steph
It is complex on both sides of the issue.
That's exactly what I'm saying. I would never in my wildest dreams dare to tell someone else what they should do in their personal life, or criticize their beliefs. It's only when someone else's beliefs trample on my rights that we have an issue. :)
They won't show abstinence commercials because literally every scientific study has shown that abstinence only education has the exact opposite of the intended effect.Doesn't sound helpful to me!
Yeah, I wouldn't exactly count on the media to instill values in my children. I personally believe that abstinence is more of a moral/value issue than anything else. I was kind of kidding when I wrote that part about abstinence. No way in heck that would EVER happen, but to have it actually mentioned as an option in 'birth control' every once in a while may plant a seed in young ones' minds?!
BTW...I've learned through experience that almost all 'studies' can be done in such a way as to get the drug company's/advertiser's/etc. desired results.
by the way, and i just have to mention it...
i find it alarming that the same people who would possibly applause me for not having an abortion, are getting angry with me because i am a single mom and receive help from the government...
i kind of feel confused as to which way a person should go..?
why can't we all just accept each others rights and decisions?
i am in no way trying to start an argument, i am just trying to put things into perspective. it's a touchy subject for me because i have been there.
i certainly hope you are not implying anything... i certainly would applause you for not having an abortion, however would not have judged you if you had. i think the battle you have had to fight to have your baby girl all on your own has been a monumental one. i hope you don't think i am personally upset with you for asking for help from the government because you are a single mom. i am very grateful that there are programs out there to help people in your shoes, people who are trying to do everything possible to better themselves and do what it takes to care for your children. what i hate is the people (not you) who sit around and do nothing to better themselves, or refuse to get a job and continually live off the government - with you & i paying their way. not those who are temporarily using the resources we pay into to use... those who 'take advantage' of it is what i do not like!
i understand you have been here... as have i, kindof... i had a miscarriage - as i am sure many of us have - before i was married & was never given the 'choice' to have my baby or not. of coorifice, what you have gone through is much more difficult and challenging - and rewarding.
my stance is this... i do not agree with abortion, and do not agree with people taking advantage of the government (using it longer than necessary to get a job to sustain your family). with that being said... i do not condemn people for their choice to abortion or whatever else they choose. i try very hard to not be judgmental, as i have not liked it when people have judged me for different decisions i have made. it is not our place to judge, that is the right and privilege of god alone. :redpinkhe:heartbeat:redbeathe
Yeah, I wouldn't exactly count on the media to instill values in my children. I personally believe that abstinence is more of a moral/value issue than anything else. I was kind of kidding when I wrote that part about abstinence. No way in heck that would EVER happen, but to have it actually mentioned as an option in 'birth control' every once in a while may plant a seed in young ones' minds?!BTW...I've learned through experience that almost all 'studies' can be done in such a way as to get the drug company's/advertiser's/etc. desired results.
LOL, yes absolutely. The New England Journal of Medicine even had to relax their own standards with regard to conflict of interest, because nearly every study that crossed their desk was in some way or another financially tied to the drug industry. Ugh.
As far as abstinence goes, I absolutely agree that children should be told about it and educated regarding it as a legitimate option. If I had a child, I would definitely make sure they knew that there was really no good reason to have sex as a teenager. But I also would prepare him or her in the case of it still happening (as it did with myself and pretty much everyone else I knew at that age)
Better safe than sorry!
To be honest, there are a lot of commercials that I don't think are necessary!!
I don't see why, when I am watching the 15 minutes of TV that I have for, I need to watch a commercial about how "free" some woman feels when she uses are certain type of tampon. Give me a break!! I know I need them, I know they are out there...and there is NO WAY that you ad campaign is going to convince me that I will be more "free" from my period if I use your product.
I also don't need to watch commericals for for anything with "vag..." in the name. I really don't like answering questions to a 9 year old about, "What is that for?"
To be honest, there are a lot of commercials that I don't think are necessary!!I don't see why, when I am watching the 15 minutes of TV that I have for, I need to watch a commercial about how "free" some woman feels when she uses are certain type of tampon. Give me a break!! I know I need them, I know they are out there...and there is NO WAY that you ad campaign is going to convince me that I will be more "free" from my period if I use your product.
I also don't need to watch commericals for for anything with "vag..." in the name. I really don't like answering questions to a 9 year old about, "What is that for?"
Exactly! My husband gets 'that look' every time they come on! Now, the Nuva Ring commercial is on - COME ON!!! I think our GYN's or private dr's KNOW which drugs to give for whatever diagnosis THEY give...
melmarie23, MSN, RN
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I personally dont believe that Plan B causes an abortion. I feel that implantation needs to happen in order for a pregnancy to occur, so for me no implantation means no pregnancy. And since Plan B works such that it prevents implantation from occurring, then for me, the woman was never pregnant, regardless if fertilization occurred.
I see no problem with the advertisement. I dont think that most people are aware now a days that Plan B is available OTC, and I think that its good to get that message out there.
Lets face it, condoms may break, not all women use the pill 100% correctly day in and day out, and I think in these cases, where you have a couple who are trying to prevent a pregnancy from occurring and one of their every day methods fail, there should be another option for them. Plan B is it.
We do not live in a perfect world and mistakes do happen, and it should be up to the discretion of those involved as to what measures they want to take to rectify the situation.