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I really need (please) an oncology nurse who has the time, and who could help me with questions concerning my husband who has liver ca, secondary.
Major health issues unrelated to CA for past 20years. RA, polymyositis, greenfield filter placed last year for blood clots, hx pneumonia, 3cm tumor removed last year from colon...
Extreme weakness ULE, not quite total assist, cannot transfer self, currently is in recliner 24/7, is experiencing skin breakdown coxyc area, which I'm applying carecream on.
Appetite decreased 80%, excessive sweating, (shirt, chair completely wet) is on prednizone 20mg q day, triam (diuretic) 25mg bid, stool softener program (has hx impaction)...trying to push fluids on him, but he is very tired, weak...urine is DARK orange. Pain med is morphine 15mg q 4h....had a scrip for time release 30mg bid, but uninsured, too expensive, hubby said don't worry about it, I'll do on what I have. ( I know sweating is SE of morphine, but EXCESSIVE)
His PP doctor is very surprised his oncologist is wanting to start chemo on him..due to his general health.
Drugs for chemo (which starts in 2days) are fluorourcil, irinotecan, and leucovorin.
I asked his oncologist, if Roy (husband) could handle this tx, she said yes, SE were minimal..so I said "so I can take him for the tx, bring him home, put him in his chair then go to work"?...Yes she answered....hmmmm I'M CONCERNED!
The oncologist nrs told me yesterday, diarrhea was a BIG SE.
Roy also has a 1x1/2 solid mass (ultra sound done) on his thyroid that PP believes is also CA, and oncologist says she is 90% sure unrelated to liver CA.
Soooo, endocronoligist apt on FRI am, and if he believes surgery is needed, we need to cancel chemo apt that afternoon.
I need some guidance!...I'm freaked out to say the least, I feel like no one is directing us in the right/correct path!
I asked the nrs yesterday what chemo tx is for, and its for palliative measures only.
When I voiced my concerns c the oncologist DR, about his poor health, hx, she answered c, "well I've had 2 pts whose liver tumors shrank"..I was stunned & should have asked "out of how many?" & were they the same stage as Roy"?
Liver is unoperable, largest tumor 8cm, both lobes.
c out chemo, DR says few mths, to less than a year.
I'M SORRY FOR RATTLING....I just need some guidance, like I mentioned, and you all are the pros. I haven't been a nurse long, (just since Mar of this year) & work in long term/subacute facility.
Seems like I have to pull teeth to get any answers!!
Nrs couldn't answer me when I asked if it was terminal or even what stage it was. (she had his chart in front of him).
Exactly how rough is his chemo tx going to be for him?????????
Can he do chemo c his health being the way it is???????
Am I/we doing the right thing here??????
When he had surgery last year for the colon CA, we had to wait 3wks, cuz he was anemic, and borderline malnourished, bloodwork that I see right now shows he is on that path again.
Will they look at his lab work again before chemo tx on FRI and realize this, or will it matter???????
I am my husbands advocate, his wife, caretaker. They discovered his colon CA last year only because when he was in the hospital for his PE and had the filter placed, then had bowel impaction they were going to dc him home.
I was in nrsing school then, and looking at the lab work which was drawn q day. I noticed his RBC cells were off the wall, brought it to the dr attention, and only then did they discover the colon CA.
That's why I'm hesitant.. are they giving me the best advice in his tx for his liver CA and the thyroid problem???
Please I know you all are the best/experts for helping me...I'll try not to be a pest.
I'm soon to be 49yrs, Roy is 59yrs, have 3 grown children, live on a ranch, family in another state, neighbors are Amish c no phone. I work 10min away (if I speed). I love animals, nature, and love to laugh, although that's been tough lately. Just some personal hx on myself incase one of you feel a connection c me.
You all are the best, I love being a nrs...
God bless,
Peace & love
Sherri
Sherri--first off let me say I am sorry for you and your family. Second, given Roy's state of health before chemo began and the events that followed, I'm not sure he could tolerate more. From what I read, I'm not sure the oncologist has been very upfront c you in regard to prognosis. It is time to get a straight answer from him. And does what does Roy want? Does he want to continue c chemo? does he know that it is not increasing his quality of life? Hospice is a wonderful group. By admitting Hospice into your life does not mean that you (or your family) has "given up". It allows you, Roy and your children to have some quality time together c Roy being comfortable. I will pray for you and your family--Phyllis
I really need (please) an oncology nurse who has the time, and who could help me with questions concerning my husband who has liver ca, secondary.Major health issues unrelated to CA for past 20years. RA, polymyositis, greenfield filter placed last year for blood clots, hx pneumonia, 3cm tumor removed last year from colon...
Extreme weakness ULE, not quite total assist, cannot transfer self, currently is in recliner 24/7, is experiencing skin breakdown coxyc area, which I'm applying carecream on.
Appetite decreased 80%, excessive sweating, (shirt, chair completely wet) is on prednizone 20mg q day, triam (diuretic) 25mg bid, stool softener program (has hx impaction)...trying to push fluids on him, but he is very tired, weak...urine is DARK orange. Pain med is morphine 15mg q 4h....had a scrip for time release 30mg bid, but uninsured, too expensive, hubby said don't worry about it, I'll do on what I have. ( I know sweating is SE of morphine, but EXCESSIVE)
His PP doctor is very surprised his oncologist is wanting to start chemo on him..due to his general health.
Drugs for chemo (which starts in 2days) are fluorourcil, irinotecan, and leucovorin.
I asked his oncologist, if Roy (husband) could handle this tx, she said yes, SE were minimal..so I said "so I can take him for the tx, bring him home, put him in his chair then go to work"?...Yes she answered....hmmmm I'M CONCERNED!
The oncologist nrs told me yesterday, diarrhea was a BIG SE.
Roy also has a 1x1/2 solid mass (ultra sound done) on his thyroid that PP believes is also CA, and oncologist says she is 90% sure unrelated to liver CA.
Soooo, endocronoligist apt on FRI am, and if he believes surgery is needed, we need to cancel chemo apt that afternoon.
I need some guidance!...I'm freaked out to say the least, I feel like no one is directing us in the right/correct path!
I asked the nrs yesterday what chemo tx is for, and its for palliative measures only.
When I voiced my concerns c the oncologist DR, about his poor health, hx, she answered c, "well I've had 2 pts whose liver tumors shrank"..I was stunned & should have asked "out of how many?" & were they the same stage as Roy"?
Liver is unoperable, largest tumor 8cm, both lobes.
c out chemo, DR says few mths, to less than a year.
I'M SORRY FOR RATTLING....I just need some guidance, like I mentioned, and you all are the pros. I haven't been a nurse long, (just since Mar of this year) & work in long term/subacute facility.
Seems like I have to pull teeth to get any answers!!
Nrs couldn't answer me when I asked if it was terminal or even what stage it was. (she had his chart in front of him).
Exactly how rough is his chemo tx going to be for him?????????
Can he do chemo c his health being the way it is???????
Am I/we doing the right thing here??????
When he had surgery last year for the colon CA, we had to wait 3wks, cuz he was anemic, and borderline malnourished, bloodwork that I see right now shows he is on that path again.
Will they look at his lab work again before chemo tx on FRI and realize this, or will it matter???????
I am my husbands advocate, his wife, caretaker. They discovered his colon CA last year only because when he was in the hospital for his PE and had the filter placed, then had bowel impaction they were going to dc him home.
I was in nrsing school then, and looking at the lab work which was drawn q day. I noticed his RBC cells were off the wall, brought it to the dr attention, and only then did they discover the colon CA.
That's why I'm hesitant.. are they giving me the best advice in his tx for his liver CA and the thyroid problem???
Please I know you all are the best/experts for helping me...I'll try not to be a pest.
I'm soon to be 49yrs, Roy is 59yrs, have 3 grown children, live on a ranch, family in another state, neighbors are Amish c no phone. I work 10min away (if I speed). I love animals, nature, and love to laugh, although that's been tough lately. Just some personal hx on myself incase one of you feel a connection c me.
You all are the best, I love being a nrs...
God bless,
Peace & love
Sherri
Excellent suggestion, Phyllis. God bless you.Sherri--first off let me say I am sorry for you and your family. Second, given Roy's state of health before chemo began and the events that followed, I'm not sure he could tolerate more. From what I read, I'm not sure the oncologist has been very upfront c you in regard to prognosis. It is time to get a straight answer from him. And does what does Roy want? Does he want to continue c chemo? does he know that it is not increasing his quality of life? Hospice is a wonderful group. By admitting Hospice into your life does not mean that you (or your family) has "given up". It allows you, Roy and your children to have some quality time together c Roy being comfortable. I will pray for you and your family--Phyllis
hi all,
roy was in hospital last week (home fri) from an 11day stay from infection/dehydration.
cancer now found in bones (ribs,pelvic,spine) and lungs.
we have hospice now, another round of chemo drugs was 1st introduced to us as option, but after further review, was decided (mainly on our parts) that no thank you, we just wanted to go home and stay home.
we are sick of hospitals, sick of this illness and all that Roy has endured these past few years from his other medical problems...so in a way we are peace with this decision.
prognosis is a few weeks, we had the social worker out to the house today, he has a bed with air mattress since he is so immobile.
he is sooo short of breath, can't stand to have his head let down in the bed for more than a few minutes...oh forgot to mention they also found his heart is enlarged.
i can't believe he was just dx with secondary liver cancer just 2 months ago, and now cancer is found in bones/lungs...does it really spread this fast??? or was it just missed.
he is very, very weak, coherant, but anxious (we have ativan but haven't used it yet).
our regular hospice nurse we meet this wed...
my sister is here helping me facing all this, but will have to go back to calif soon.
she's been a blessing..kids are coming in and out, as are other friends/relatives.
work has been great, i went there today and i miss my coworkers/patients...am trying to struggle/juggle finances around, so i can continue to be here at home with roy.
he kind of freaks when i'm not around...poor thing.
i just wanted to let you all know what's happening...thank you all so much for your kind words/support/prayers.
kind of crazy, that when i'm feeling lost, i can come sit at my computer and let my feelings off my chest, or when i need support/questions answered, you wonderful people are out there and respond.
GOD bless you all,
Sherri
hi all,
roy was in hospital last week (home fri) from an 11day stay from infection/dehydration.
cancer now found in bones (ribs,pelvic,spine) and lungs.
we have hospice now, another round of chemo drugs was 1st introduced to us as option, but after further review, was decided (mainly on our parts) that no thank you, we just wanted to go home and stay home.
we are sick of hospitals, sick of this illness and all that Roy has endured these past few years from his other medical problems...so in a way we are peace with this decision.
prognosis is a few weeks, we had the social worker out to the house today, he has a bed with air mattress since he is so immobile.
he is sooo short of breath, can't stand to have his head let down in the bed for more than a few minutes...oh forgot to mention they also found his heart is enlarged.
i can't believe he was just dx with secondary liver cancer just 2 months ago, and now cancer is found in bones/lungs...does it really spread this fast??? or was it just missed.
he is very, very weak, coherant, but anxious (we have ativan but haven't used it yet).
our regular hospice nurse we meet this wed...
my sister is here helping me facing all this, but will have to go back to calif soon.
she's been a blessing..kids are coming in and out, as are other friends/relatives.
work has been great, i went there today and i miss my coworkers/patients...am trying to struggle/juggle finances around, so i can continue to be here at home with roy.
he kind of freaks when i'm not around...poor thing.
i just wanted to let you all know what's happening...thank you all so much for your kind words/support/prayers.
kind of crazy, that when i'm feeling lost, i can come sit at my computer and let my feelings off my chest, or when i need support/questions answered, you wonderful people are out there and respond.
GOD bless you all,
Sherri
Sherri, Remember, we are here for you anytime you need to share whatever you are feeling. It has been a long difficult period for you and Roy. We will continue to support you in your emotional needs. Just remember, sweetie. Foy is just getting ready to transition. He's just leaving a very ill body behind. Much like when a pupae turns into a butterfly in the cocoon, and then leaves it when transitioned into a beautiful butterfly. And yes, cancer can spread that fast. I lost a good friend from aggresive cancer.
May God keep you and yours strong in this time of your lives.
((((((((HUGS)))))):kiss
Sherri, Remember, we are here for you anytime you need to share whatever you are feeling. It has been a long difficult period for you and Roy. We will continue to support you in your emotional needs. Just remember, sweetie. Foy is just getting ready to transition. He's just leaving a very ill body behind. Much like when a pupae turns into a butterfly in the cocoon, and then leaves it when transitioned into a beautiful butterfly. And yes, cancer can spread that fast. I lost a good friend from aggresive cancer.
May God keep you and yours strong in this time of your lives.
((((((((HUGS)))))):kiss
oh sherri,
what a horrible time for all involved.
please, don't hesitate to give roy an ativan as it will help his anxiety greatly.
if he's having trouble swallowing, you can crush the ativan and dissolve it under his tongue, his gums or in his cheek.
as will keeping the hob up to help him breathe easier.
all interventions from hereonin, are to keep roy comfortable physically, mentally and spiritually.
yes, cancer can and does spread that rampantly; it is an aggressive demon that is hard to overcome.
it is equally as important for you to take care of yourself.
allow yourself to feel the love, anger, helplessness, pain...whatever the emotion is.
and let it be known that you and roy are deep in my heart with an abundance of loving prayers.
leslie
i just don't know what to say.
if i was there in person, i would do everything in my God-given power to ease the suffering and pain.
oh sherri,
what a horrible time for all involved.
please, don't hesitate to give roy an ativan as it will help his anxiety greatly.
if he's having trouble swallowing, you can crush the ativan and dissolve it under his tongue, his gums or in his cheek.
as will keeping the hob up to help him breathe easier.
all interventions from hereonin, are to keep roy comfortable physically, mentally and spiritually.
yes, cancer can and does spread that rampantly; it is an aggressive demon that is hard to overcome.
it is equally as important for you to take care of yourself.
allow yourself to feel the love, anger, helplessness, pain...whatever the emotion is.
and let it be known that you and roy are deep in my heart with an abundance of loving prayers.
leslie
i just don't know what to say.
if i was there in person, i would do everything in my God-given power to ease the suffering and pain.
Sherri, you have made a wonderful decision in Hospice. I agreee w/ Leslie--give the ativan. If you are afraid it will sedate him too much, start out c 1/2 tab and work your way up from there. Leslie, you are a kind soul to help others. It is wonderful of you to share your expertise in the field of Hospice nursing. How is your sister?
Phyllis
oh sherri,![]()
what a horrible time for all involved.
please, don't hesitate to give roy an ativan as it will help his anxiety greatly.
if he's having trouble swallowing, you can crush the ativan and dissolve it under his tongue, his gums or in his cheek.
as will keeping the hob up to help him breathe easier.
all interventions from hereonin, are to keep roy comfortable physically, mentally and spiritually.
yes, cancer can and does spread that rampantly; it is an aggressive demon that is hard to overcome.
it is equally as important for you to take care of yourself.
allow yourself to feel the love, anger, helplessness, pain...whatever the emotion is.
and let it be known that you and roy are deep in my heart with an abundance of loving prayers.
leslie
i just don't know what to say.
if i was there in person, i would do everything in my God-given power to ease the suffering and pain.
My dear friends....
Roy my beloved husband passed away the 16th of Oct, just 1week after coming home with hospice from the hospital.
He never got better, stronger, just weaker every day.
His last words to me 2days before he passed were "I love everything about you".
He passed so peacefully, eyes closed, his heart just stopped.
He had been nonresponsive for 2days,..I kissed him good night and told him how much I loved him, and like I had been telling him for a few days, not to worry about me, our boys were going to look out after me, and that I would see him again when GOD decided it was time, in heaven.
Looking back I can't believe I did what had to be done for him here at the house, but sooo glad, grateful that we had the choice for him to die here at home instead of the hospital.
My sister and niece were here and were absolutely amazing in helping me.
They are not nurses, and part of me was concerned about their reaction, but they handled the situation like pros.
The funeral was last Thursday, over 250 people came. Roy had a highway patrol escort to the cemetary, and the line of cars was over a mile long.
The output of love to me makes me so proud, but feel empty still, and I accept this although I hate it.
The kids were/are so great. They made a slide show for the service, and played it to George Straights song "I Cross My Heart".
My son-in-law stayed up to 330am one morning making up the programs.
My sister took off 2 weeks of work to be with me, handled everything for me,
and just took charge, what a blessing my family has been.
Roys good friend brought her horse to the cemetary, and had Roys chaps around the saddle horn.
The videos that I have, have been a GOD send. They were all of Roy when he was in good health..working/riding horses, playing with the kids..even one where I had video taped him singing in the shower...it feels so good to watch them, and to know this is how he is now...strong with his body back with no sickness.
I dreamt he "scooped" me up, and hugged me tight and rocked me back and forth. Thank you Roy for this "new" memory.
My dear friends, this was a hard letter to write to you all, I find it very very hard when I stop and realize that I'm a widow at the age of 49.
GOD has blessed me, I'll always treasure the time Roy and I had together.
Thank you all again, I can't say enough for your kind, compassionate words to me.
Love/peace,
Sherri
jemb
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Sherri, sorry that you and hubby are having such a rough go of it.
Hopefully, the doc is just going to see what can be done to prevent a recurrence. He may discontinue the chemo if your husband is not tolerating it, or may change to a different treatment.
Was Roy neutropenic?
I agree with the idea of writing down all your questions, and definitely ask the doc how the chemo will affect the prognosis, as well as the prognosis itself.