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I'm currently a nursing student at National University and I'd like to share my thoughts regarding the nursing program.

The environment in this program is currently at the negative end. There is a big disconnect between the students and the nursing staff and questions regarding the ethics of the recent changes that were implemented has been raised. We have had to resort to sending a letter signed by the majority of the nursing students to the president of the university because all other attempts with people running the program have been ignored.

Our dissatisfaction with the program is due to the following changes and affects all current and incoming nursing students:

-The passing grade of C was raised from 73% to 76% for each class.

-Aside from passing each class, a test from an outside company, ATI, must also be passed with a level II or greater. Basically, this means that you can pass your class with 100%, but if you fail the ATI test for that particular class, you fail the class. ATI does not teach in the classrooms or clinical sites. A third party company deciding whether or not students pass their courses does not seem ethical.

-Retaking a class over again will result in falling months behind graduation schedule in order to find room in a new cohort. NU nursing programs start every three months, so you will have to wait a few months in order to join the cohort behind you (if they have room).

-Retaking the class is not covered by financial aid, which means: $3500 out of pocket.

-Anytime your grade falls behind 80%, you are required to attend remediation on campus for 8 hours a week.

-If you pass the class and the ATI exam but receive less than 80%, you are required to attend remediation for your next class.

-Before you can sit for the NCLEX, you must pass a comprehensive ATI predictor test with a Level II or greater. You will not be able to sit for the NCLEX unless this is passed.

Why did the University implement all these changes? To increase the NCLEX pass rates of their students taking the test for the first time. The higher the score, the better their advertisements will look.

What's disheartening about this situation is that while the school has made it so much more difficult for students to continue on with the program, there is no investment on their part to help their students. Also, changes were made without considering how far current students are already in the program. This is not what we signed up for when we applied; these were not the requirements that that were explained to us that we needed to fulfill during our orientation.

Other cons are:

-The school does not provide its students with nu.edu email address. In fact, you will be instructed to use Gmail.

-One year ago we brought up the issue of how our online skills check is not functioning. It's still not functioning.

-Total program cost will be around $45,000. Very, very expensive when compared to other programs.

-No externship programs. In fact, your professors will tell you to see if a community college will let you join their externship program.

-Just for fun: You will pay $1500 for orientation and they will serve you sandwich and chips.

Anywho, I hope this helps during your application process.

Best of luck!

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Moved to California State Nursing Programs.

So interesting hearing the various viewpoints about the nursing program at NU. I applied for the April, 2014 cohort. I was wondering how everyone's experience with the pace.Is the pace overwhelming? What was the schedule like? Do or did you have any time to see friends, go to the gym, see family, etc.? Were you able to take at least one day off to rest the mind? Was the pace similar to the microbiology class at NU and other prereqs? I look forward to hearing your experience. :) Thanks

bumping this thread as I'm interested in applying to NU

does anyone have any new information regarding externships/preceptorships?

One of my main concerns is about the amount of clinical time NU will provide. I've taken classes in a quarter system before so I'm worried if NU will be lacking in clinical time compared to other schools which use a semester system.

Thanks!

Hi opx322,

NU does not offer an externship. Why I am not sure but this is an accelerated program so there is not a lot of free time anyway. One thing I read last night is that the state mandates how many hours a school must provide in the clinical setting so you know you can at least get the minimum number of hours the state believes a school should provide. I also read that BSN programs do not get as many clinical hours as a CNA or perhaps LVN. I think it was CNA but can't remember but BSN gets more theory and knowledge. Hopefully that helps a bit :) Maybe someone has some better information. :)

Try ADN at community colleges a lot cheaper, and CSUs. Surely you might have to wait (and work hopefully in healhcare env in the meantime) , but if you have decent grades, you will eventually get it. Good luck. My kid is in the same boat.

Thank you for your post:) Also I have a question regarding GPA and not sure if you can help me here. My GPA is on the lower end, I currently have a 2.62 when I graduated with my bachelors degree. I know I need to bring that up to a minimum of 2.75 to apply. If I receive all A's when I take my prerequisites and score high on my TEAS EXAM do you honestly think I can be considered into the accelerated nursing program? My academic adviser mentioned that they really take into consideration your core science and math classes as well as your TEAS, do you agree with that or is he just trying to sell me.

Hi everyone! I know this thread is 3 years old but I'm hoping someone can still answer my question. Is ATI still implemented in NU's nursing program? I know that NCLEX scores have risen to higher than 90% so that's a good thing.

Hello,

Did you get into Nationals program? If you did, I would love to ask you a few questions. I am about to apply. SDSU has changed their program to three years and that is why I would like to go to National. How do you like the program? How are the professors?

Thank you,

Adrien KIng

Hello, my name is ashley i am looking to apply for the BSN program, generic entry, at national university. I am extremely worried about getting denied because i got a C in microbiology. Other than that, i received a B in anatomy and physiology and an A in biomed stats. i have not taken the teas exam yet, do you think it is worth applying to this competitive program with a C or should I continue with my plan B to apply elsewhere? Let me know if anybody has had difficulty getting accepted. Thanks a lot!

Hi AdrienKing, I actually did get accepted into the nursing program but I don't start the program until October 2015. I'll let you know later on how the program goes.

Hi ashleygilliland, National chooses their applicants based on a point scale. Your science GPA weighs 40%, the TEAS exam weighs 40%, and the proctored essay weighs 20%. To calculate your score:

-GPA is divided by 4.00 & multiplied by 40

- TEAS score divided by 100 & multiplied by 40

- Essay score divided by 5 & multiplied by 20

So honestly, the C in micro shouldn't matter too much if you score high on your TEAS exam and proctored essay. Not everything is dependent on your GPA alone since there are other ways to boost your overall grade. There have been people that have gotten in with low GPAs but had excellent TEAS scores & essay scores & vice versa that have gotten into the program. Don't feel discouraged. You can get in!

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I think the price is about the same as other for-profit programs. They thrive because the community colleges are almost impossible to get into.

However, the private and for-profit colleges have learned to play the game by using outside predictor tests for the NCLEX. If they weed you out before the NCLEX, then their pass rates go up. It's pretty much a gamble that you will spend $40K to $60K and not even be allowed to graduate and take the NCLEX. I think it's unfortunate and slimy business practices. I think if they really believe and stand by their programs, then everyone that graduates should be allowed to take the NCLEX... especially if they have received passing grades in the program lead by, designed by, and taught by National's staff and professors.

Hi, I was just going to ask, how long is the wait for the result if you got into the program? and also, would I need to take the general education such as arts and humanities before applying? or can I take those classes after I apply? since they only consider the science gpa. thank you.

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