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I'm currently a nursing student at National University and I'd like to share my thoughts regarding the nursing program.

The environment in this program is currently at the negative end. There is a big disconnect between the students and the nursing staff and questions regarding the ethics of the recent changes that were implemented has been raised. We have had to resort to sending a letter signed by the majority of the nursing students to the president of the university because all other attempts with people running the program have been ignored.

Our dissatisfaction with the program is due to the following changes and affects all current and incoming nursing students:

-The passing grade of C was raised from 73% to 76% for each class.

-Aside from passing each class, a test from an outside company, ATI, must also be passed with a level II or greater. Basically, this means that you can pass your class with 100%, but if you fail the ATI test for that particular class, you fail the class. ATI does not teach in the classrooms or clinical sites. A third party company deciding whether or not students pass their courses does not seem ethical.

-Retaking a class over again will result in falling months behind graduation schedule in order to find room in a new cohort. NU nursing programs start every three months, so you will have to wait a few months in order to join the cohort behind you (if they have room).

-Retaking the class is not covered by financial aid, which means: $3500 out of pocket.

-Anytime your grade falls behind 80%, you are required to attend remediation on campus for 8 hours a week.

-If you pass the class and the ATI exam but receive less than 80%, you are required to attend remediation for your next class.

-Before you can sit for the NCLEX, you must pass a comprehensive ATI predictor test with a Level II or greater. You will not be able to sit for the NCLEX unless this is passed.

Why did the University implement all these changes? To increase the NCLEX pass rates of their students taking the test for the first time. The higher the score, the better their advertisements will look.

What's disheartening about this situation is that while the school has made it so much more difficult for students to continue on with the program, there is no investment on their part to help their students. Also, changes were made without considering how far current students are already in the program. This is not what we signed up for when we applied; these were not the requirements that that were explained to us that we needed to fulfill during our orientation.

Other cons are:

-The school does not provide its students with nu.edu email address. In fact, you will be instructed to use Gmail.

-One year ago we brought up the issue of how our online skills check is not functioning. It's still not functioning.

-Total program cost will be around $45,000. Very, very expensive when compared to other programs.

-No externship programs. In fact, your professors will tell you to see if a community college will let you join their externship program.

-Just for fun: You will pay $1500 for orientation and they will serve you sandwich and chips.

Anywho, I hope this helps during your application process.

Best of luck!

You are absolutely entitled to have an opinion based on your personal experience. However, I would not recommend false allegations against a Nursing School's Entrance criteria.

Some schools are private and their fees are very clearly disclosed prior to anyone applying, therefore an informed applicant should be aware of the cost before hand, and not get in some magical way just to have "money taken from them".

What you are stating here is absolutely inaccurate as to how competitive National University Nursing School is and how hard an applicant works to get accepted. I personally know a hand full of people with average GPA and decent TEAS score, with plenty of funding for school, NOT get accepted. That is how competitive it is.

If, for some reason going the community college route was more beneficial for you, or perhaps cost effective for you, that is your experience. Don't generalize schools! More importantly DO NOT misinform others, this isn't a forum for you to vent but instead to help one another.

Well said!!!

Well said!!!

Hi lady, you may contact me through this site, thanks.

I'm laughing because my program is the exact same but we had to have a level 3 for all ATI tests.

Hey nm076. I'm trying to decide between NU and Cal State San Marcos. Are you available to chat?

2.7 GPA? WTH? Nursing is VERY COMPETITIVE. Cal State Univ system acceptance to their BSN has an average of 3.7 to 3.9. NU is easy to get into so the lazy ones think they can just cruise through it with a low GPA. NU makes their money on such students who does not want to put in the sacrifice and end up repeating courses. If I have a GPA below 3.0, maybe a reality check is to try a different career.

I just graduated from National heres my 2 cents to pass:

STUDY

READ ATI

ASK FOR HELP IF YOU NEED IT

BE COMMITTED, if you're not willing to sacrifice your friday and saturday nights then do not go into nursing.

YOU WILL "GRIND" FOR 22 MONTHS STRAIGHT. It's a marathon/sprint in that you are going to have to pace yourself to not become burnt out but you will also need to simultaneously "sprint" in terms of never taking a day off from studying.

When you are finished I highly recommend taking a mental break as you will be mentally drained (I am still on my mental break waiting for my NCLEX in August; we finished at the end of May)

Bottom line is: are you wiling to sacrifice what it takes to get what you want? This program is all about accepting this. You will have days where you wake up and study until you go to bed; get over it.

The teachers are willing to help you if you ask, but we are ADULTS, there isn't a lot of handholding. Its on you to get out as much as you can from the program. If you value partying on friday nights or occasionally taking some MDMA, please get the hell out of this profession. You will be in small groups of 8-10 for clinicals and they will become your team. Nothing was more embarrassing than when a group mate "forgot we had clinical" and showed up an hour late (multiple times) because they decided to have a little fun the night before.

goodluck. dont kill anyone.

p.s ATI is not bad at all if you study and possess the correct mindset when answering questions.

Specializes in Med surgical in clinical experience.

So did anyone work while going to school?

A few people did. If you can afford to bite the bullet for 22 months that's your best bet to save your brain from total burn out. It's just a lot easier to solely focus on the program, it's a job in itself.

I've been searching and searching for BSN programs in San Diego and I like this one because it's only two years of "nursing school", so all pre-req's can be done while I'm working still. I know I'll have to quit my job when the nursing school grind begins, so I was wondering if anyone can tell me how it's possible to pay bills/rent/car payment/food/gas/etc without working...?

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I've been searching and searching for BSN programs in San Diego and I like this one because it's only two years of "nursing school", so all pre-req's can be done while I'm working still. I know I'll have to quit my job when the nursing school grind begins, so I was wondering if anyone can tell me how it's possible to pay bills/rent/car payment/food/gas/etc without working...?

In my cohort, a hand full of us worked (some full time, others part time, and a couple per diem) and we did just fine in the program. Those who didn't work had to take out additional loans to cover the cost of living. I think a couple of classmates got roommates to help cut down the cost of rent and utilities and a couple still lived with their parents and got help from family.

Save as much as you can now. Good luck!

In my cohort, a hand full of us worked (some full time, others part time, and a couple per diem) and we did just fine in the program. Those who didn't work had to take out additional loans to cover the cost of living. I think a couple of classmates got roommates to help cut down the cost of rent and utilities and a couple still lived with their parents and got help from family.

Save as much as you can now. Good luck!

@babeinboots, BSN, CNA, RN does National offer evening and weekend classes/clinicals? Thank you!

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