Is that the general consensus amongst hospital RNs? I for one had a terrible time with night shift... actually I seemed to adjust alright, outwardly. Inwardly, my endocrine system went haywire and I ended up in the hospital with an exacerbation of a previously well managed health condition, and out from work SICK for an entire month.
Due to the health problems, I had to quit that job only 5 months into it. After searching month after month, the only other day shift hospital position I could get was on a HORRIBLE ortho/medsurg unit 70 miles away from my home.
Despite the heavy work load, extreme favoritism, crazy boss, and absence of teamwork, I appreciated the opportunity and tried to make it work for me. The employer itself was a pretty good one I think, but with the commute and the other issues, I only made it for 6 months--- and quit.
Every other hospital job I've been seeing is for night shift.... If I see another day shift advertised will that be a red flag that the unit is very bad?
I was willing to work nights, but I really can't risk getting sick by going on nights again. Should I just stay away from hospitals from here on out?
Good for you for taking care of yourself. Yes, the poster you refer is all those things -- judgmental, rude, dismissive. I think it is time to hang up the stethoscope when one becomes like that. If we can't support one another and work as a team and help a co-worker with health issues, where is our ethics and humanity. Just be grateful you don't have this person as your nurse. Can you imagine? That would be like being in hell.
Really not sure how you can judge a nurse based on personal opinions- I could easily say the same about your judgement and reference it to your lack of nursing capabilities.
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There was a respondent poster here who said he would gain employment under false pretenses -----and then pull a bait and switch, pulling the disability card to secure a day shift position, bumping someone else if need be, to get what he wanted.
Talk about ethics indeed. And I have no intention of hanging up my stethoscope.
Thanks for the tip on changing the time zone, it was making me nuts!
I have to say this is just becoming weird to me. I thought the point of the thread was the person who started it wondering if he/she absolutely had to work night shift to work in a hospital, and it's turned into some kind of hating-on people who don't like to see people playing the system.
If you don't want to work nights, don't work nights. Just don't take a night job that someone else might really want and then complain that you don't want to work nights! Take a day job if you want to work days. Yes it's usually harder to find the day jobs you want and that pay what you want and that are located where you want, but did anyone promise you that when you became a nurse you'd always be able to find well-paying jobs 10 minutes from home that required only the hours of work you felt like doing? I know I never heard that, lol.
It isn't easy to get a job that fits all of your needs I totally get that. What I don't get is feeling that because it's hard it's ok to cheat or lie or try to push someone else out of the job they like because doing it the right way is just too inconvenient or time consuming. Doesn't sit well with me sorry.
Many of us here have actually BEEN in abusive relationships; we've struggled through and come out the other side. Some of us are still in abusive situations. Somehow, your post just doesn't ring true
What are you basing this perception on? Why doesn't it seem true to you? Accusing the OP of attention seeking is extraordinarily disrespectful.
You would be wrong on that. My employer wants to know about all health conditions, including substance abuse and psych history, so they can decide if any of that might impact your ability to do the job if they hire you. It's not illegal at all. And you are told that if you are not completely truthful on the form asking the questions that you can be terminated for cause later on. No appeal. If you knowingly hide a medical condition including a hx of psych or substance abuse, they can fire you later. And if you tell them about it and they decide to not hire, it's still legal. Someone told me he had to show he was clean for a year, rehab and stuff after a substance abuse problem, and it was only 30 days and no rehab done so he didn't get the job. You say it's not like they can prove the problem didn't start after you got the job, but that's pretty naive! Finding out if you have a medical or mental condition you didn't mention isn't as hard as you think
You're living in an imaginary fairy tale land. With very few exceptions, employers cannot discriminate against you based on medical conditions. They have to show that your medical condition will interfere or has interfered from you performing the job. What you are describing is the same as an employer not hiring someone because they have AIDS. It is extremely illegal. They are definitely NOT allowed to ask, prior to hiring you, about any disabilities or medical conditions you have. Also, extremely illegal.
QUOTE from the Fed. Gov't ADA website: "The ADA prohibits employers from asking questions that are likely to reveal the existence of a disability before making a job offer (i.e., the pre-offer period). This prohibition covers written questionnaires and inquiries made during interviews, as well as medical examinations."
They can only do that stuff AFTER an employment offer is extended, and they still can't withdraw the job offer without breaking the law, unless they can show that you can't perform essential job functions. QUOTE: "While the employer has the right to require a post-offer medical examination, he cannot withdraw the job offer solely because you revealed you have a disability. Instead, the employer can withdraw the job offer only if it can show that you are unable to perform the essential functions of the job (with or without reasonable accommodation), or that you pose a significant risk of causing substantial harm to yourself or others." Merely having a history of mental health or substance abuse diagnoses is not enough to show that. SOURCE : PAGE 4
That document specifically mentions substance abuse in the description. So to basically everything you just said: no.
. You say it's not like they can prove the problem didn't start after you got the job, but that's pretty naive! Finding out if you have a medical or mental condition you didn't mention isn't as hard as you think
Actually it IS really hard to find out, even more so to prove. All medical information between a doctor and his/her patient is strictly confidential unless by a court order.
I agree with you. Old Smiling Blue Eyes is not a happy camper. Glad I don't have to work with him/her. Very rigid and very rude. Hey I thought nursing was the caring profession. If we can't even care about our co-workers, how can be care for total strangers effectively. Old Smiling is probably nasty to his/her patients too.
Thanks for your kind words. I basically have teflon skin when it comes to these websites, but it's always nice to hear words of support.
We have a lot of "cobs" or whatever running around on the site, constantly trying to throw their weight around.
Thanks for your kind words. I basically have teflon skin when it comes to these websites, but it's always nice to hear words of support.
We have a lot of "cobs" or whatever running around on the site, constantly trying to throw their weight around. Both figuratively and literally, I'm sure. I'm large and in charge, harr harr. Fortunately, you can cut through these gasbags' BS with a laser beam, in most cases.
I'm sorry, but taking someone seriously that purposely deceives people and tries to cheat while in a recovery program, is not even possible. You are really in no position to judge others.
RN DYNAMIC as much as admitted he would LIE to get what he wants. That is a breach in integrity. Never once did I use any issue with depression to get what I wanted. I did not say I would do one thing and then pull the "depression card" to bump others from their rightful places to get what I wanted. Sure I wanted day shift. But I waited my damn turn. I did not pull a "Bait and switch" on an unsuspecting manager.
I have worked day shift for years now (after years on nights), but got there in the right way. By APPLYING FOR IT.
What about that don't you GET Actual?
The fact that you use such language as "the depression card" and previously, "the mood disorder card" just shows how mentalist/ableist you are, regardless of whether or not you are affected by these disorders. You're trying to minimize these illnesses by that sort of ableist language: I hate to have to tell you, but these illnesses aren't "cards" for the majority of people who have them. They are actual real disabilities and as a compassionate society we have decided to make reasonable accommodations for the people suffering from disabilities. Just because you didn't want any doesn't make you special or better.
Thanks for your kind words. I basically have teflon skin when it comes to these websites, but it's always nice to hear words of support.
We have a lot of "cobs" or whatever running around on the site, constantly trying to throw their weight around. Both figuratively and literally, I'm sure. I'm large and in charge, harr harr. Fortunately, you can cut through these gasbags' BS with a laser beam, in most cases.
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