Mount St. Mary's College LA -- ADN

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Hey guys! I was just wondering if anyone here is applying for the ADN program at MSMC for Spring 2010...

ANd if anyone has gone to any information sessions..

Let me know! I'm looking into MSMC and I really wanna get in!

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so as long as i get my bsn right after my adn, u thi k

ill be ok?

Provided you don't seek employment with an institution that requires NLN/CCNE?

Is there a particular reason you want to go to the mount?

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This is quoted from another thread on Allnurses from vivasmom.

"It is not as straightforward as some would make this seem. In California for example, fewer than 30% of the schools for ADN have the NLN certification. CCNE doesn't even offer accreditation at the ADN level, so that cannot even apply to your situation. Your program can be accredited by the State Board of Nursing and still be a 100% valid program w/o the NLN business. NLNAC is a much bigger deal on the east coast, it is much more predominate.

I would bet the original poster is writing from CA or another west coast state. In Los Angeles, even the Los Angeles County College of Nursing (*which is affiliated with the county of LA, not just in title) does not have NLNAC accreditation."

There are a lot of factors involved in employment after graduation. Accreditation is one of them. The economy is such that jobs are slim and any one factor might tip the balance. The VA system is very particular about a lot of things. It's not somewhere I'd ever aspire to work for so their requirements are not a factor for me when choosing a school.

I choose MSMC for a variety of factors. The school itself has a good reputation among nurse managers I know and I have yet to hear anything negative from an employer that would suggest that I should not attend. I trained along side many MSMC students during my clinicals and overall was impressed. MSMC was the only school I applied for and at this point the only one I would consider.

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no i mean if i go msmc for adn then get my bsn (which u said alot of schools are accredted anyway) then ill b fine?

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This is quoted from another thread on Allnurses from vivasmom.

"It is not as straightforward as some would make this seem. In California for example, fewer than 30% of the schools for ADN have the NLN certification. CCNE doesn't even offer accreditation at the ADN level, so that cannot even apply to your situation. Your program can be accredited by the State Board of Nursing and still be a 100% valid program w/o the NLN business. NLNAC is a much bigger deal on the east coast, it is much more predominate.

I would bet the original poster is writing from CA or another west coast state. In Los Angeles, even the Los Angeles County College of Nursing (*which is affiliated with the county of LA, not just in title) does not have NLNAC accreditation."

There are a lot of factors involved in employment after graduation. Accreditation is one of them. The economy is such that jobs are slim and any one factor might tip the balance. The VA system is very particular about a lot of things. It's not somewhere I'd ever aspire to work for so their requirements are not a factor for me when choosing a school.

I choose MSMC for a variety of factors. The school itself has a good reputation among nurse managers I know and I have yet to hear anything negative from an employer that would suggest that I should not attend. I trained along side many MSMC students during my clinicals and overall was impressed. MSMC was the only school I applied for and at this point the only one I would consider.

Well I am happy for you. Pre-nursing students are always seem to know way more than those living the consequence.

The mount is a good school for some and not for others. The market does not allow us at this point to be selective about where we "aspire" to work. I see you are an LVN, which means you are only a year out, presuming you are doing the 30 credit option.... you most likely will be entering into the same crappy 'no new grad" economy I am in. Unless you will have employment waiting on you when you come out at your current facility, I would advise you and the others to give careful consideration to the monetary feature of the mount, lack of acceptable accreditation, and numerous other factors that not only impact your employability after school, but your sanity while in school.... just sayin.

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Well I am happy for you. Pre-nursing students are always seem to know way more than those living the consequence.

You know what that's just a little rude especially since I was in the middle of formulating your private message as I do have a lead on a HH company that's currently hiring RN's without experience. But since obviously I know nothing being a working LVN then I'll just leave you to sit and complain.

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You know what that's just a little rude especially since I was in the middle of formulating your private message as I do have a lead on a HH company that's currently hiring RN's without experience. But since obviously I know nothing being a working LVN then I'll just leave you to sit and complain.

Look, I was not trying to be rude, and if you take it that way i am sorry, I am here to explain to you all, I was where you are at. With a bad economy just explore your choices....:redbeathe:redbeathe:redbeathe:redbeathe The anticipation of getting in and getting it over shouldn't be the only consideration. Take it from someone who made that mistake!

ETA: YOU ALL CAN PM ME IF YOU NEED ANY HELP WHATSOEVER. I WISH YOU ALL GOOD LUCK, and I think you will find the school experience with your peers enjoyable regardless of where you are accepted!!!

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What i am saying is that NLN and CCNE accrediation are required by some employers like the VA. Its something I didn't give a lot of thought to before entering nursing school, and when the economy is tight like now, and new grads are jobless for upwards of 1 year, you probably shouldn't be entering yourself into a situation where doors are closed to you because of your education. If you do plan to go on and get your BSN immediately after your ADN, most rn-bsn school even the Internet schools are NLN/CCNE accredited. The mistake of so many is to let getting into nursing school blind you. Its better to wait it out if you have the opportunity and other schools have space. THINK THIS OUT!

I think I am going to research which accreditation most hospitals will take. And I don't think CCNE accredits ADN programs, just BSN/MSN which according to this link, MSMC has for the next 10 years:

Spotlight Archive - Mount St. Mary's College, Los Angeles

For me, the way I think of it, I just want to get my dang foot in the door, know what I mean? I see your point about possibly being blinded by the mere wanting to get in but you have to walk before you run. And don't get me wrong, I do want to eventually get my BSN, then MSN and I really want my PhD one day.

I will do whatever I have to do to get a job after I graduate and pass NCLEX. Hopefully, at that time, it will have given the economy some time to pick up a little and maybe, just maybe, some facilities will have their arms wide open for some new grads! *trying to think positive*

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Specializes in Hospice / Ambulatory Clinic.

I wouldn't get so hung up on little letters. Many of the nursing schools around here that have sought after grads ( in regular years there no point in trying to fairly compare schools in a tough job environment) do not have the NLN in Los Angeles. The school affiliated with County LA-USC is one. Time and time again from ppl who hire is if you trained at country you can work anywhere.

Most of the complaints I've heard from students are the same complaints I've heard and experience in lvn about most nursing schools.

"Oh they are so unorganized"

"Oh class times and clinical sites change at a moments notice"

" Oh you have to teach yourself"

Nursing schools are nurse bc ppl who were trained to be nurses not teachers. Nursing is change so class times and clinical sites will change because they have to. No teacher can lecture everything you need into your head. Self learning is necessary

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Specializes in My son...for now..
I wouldn't get so hung up on little letters. Many of the nursing schools around here that have sought after grads ( in regular years there no point in trying to fairly compare schools in a tough job environment) do not have the NLN in Los Angeles. The school affiliated with County LA-USC is one. Time and time again from ppl who hire is if you trained at country you can work anywhere.

Most of the complaints I've heard from students are the same complaints I've heard and experience in lvn about most nursing schools.

"Oh they are so unorganized"

"Oh class times and clinical sites change at a moments notice"

" Oh you have to teach yourself"

Nursing schools are nurse bc ppl who were trained to be nurses not teachers. Nursing is change so class times and clinical sites will change because they have to. No teacher can lecture everything you need into your head. Self learning is necessary

I will say also, that teaching you everything is not the point of nursing school, Much that is helpful that is learned is not out of a text book, but rather in application of the knowledge. What is necessary is how well a program prepares its students for NCLEX. Your knowledge base could be very small and do very well on NCLEX. In the recent past, the Mount's NCLEX pass rates were in the garbage, as they have worked in the last 1.5 years to retool their curricula and better prepare their students the rates have gotten better. The self teaching aspect becomes a problem when of course you don't know what to focus on, and there is a relatively small body of knowledge one needs to be able to do recall memory questions. This is where I think the mount could improve.

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Specializes in My son...for now..
I think I am going to research which accreditation most hospitals will take. And I don't think CCNE accredits ADN programs, just BSN/MSN which according to this link, MSMC has for the next 10 years:

Spotlight Archive - Mount St. Mary's College, Los Angeles

For me, the way I think of it, I just want to get my dang foot in the door, know what I mean? I see your point about possibly being blinded by the mere wanting to get in but you have to walk before you run. And don't get me wrong, I do want to eventually get my BSN, then MSN and I really want my PhD one day.

I will do whatever I have to do to get a job after I graduate and pass NCLEX. Hopefully, at that time, it will have given the economy some time to pick up a little and maybe, just maybe, some facilities will have their arms wide open for some new grads! *trying to think positive*

According to faculty, the ADN program is trying to become CCNE accredited. When a school actively seeks accreditation its usually not just for fun!

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Specializes in Hospice / Ambulatory Clinic.

If you apply the nursing process concept to your self learning then what to focus on becomes a little easy. Treat studying they way you would a patient and you wont go wrong.

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According to faculty, the ADN program is trying to become CCNE accredited. When a school actively seeks accreditation its usually not just for fun!

Now, don't take me the wrong way :p, I know you're a graduate from the school but according to CCNE's website, they only accredit for bachelors, masters and DNP programs. AACN is for community colleges from what I get. Here's the link:

AACN - CCNE - Mission and Goals

It may be that someone there didn't know what they were talking about, which is not totally impossible.

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