Interesting and as expected for most questions especially the area of not making any changes when dissatisfied and as I have seen as a result being miserable and subsequently making the rest of us miserable also. For crap sake, please, if you are unhappy find a way to make things better on us all.
"Nurses who said they were not happy that they became a nurse, and would not choose nursing again, were then asked what they planned to do with their careers in the next 3 years. Between one third and one half of these nurses had no firm plans to retire early, pursue a new path within nursing, reduce their hours, seek education outside of nursing, or leave the nursing profession entirely.
Overall, APRNs were less likely than RNs and LPNs to say that they planned to act on their career dissatisfaction. Older nurses who have not yet reached retirement age but are dissatisfied with nursing were more likely to say that they would retire earlier than planned."
We cant judge peoples intelligence just by their level of degree. Plenty of people do amazing without degrees and one could say us degree people required collegiate handholding to succeed. College is just learning old information, those that create new stuff are the real amazing people. New useful stuff anyway. I always had the most respect for engineering people and mathematicians. Medicine and nursing cant hold much a candle to upper level fields such as those. Of course with varience on the type of engineering.
" I do not understand why people are so dang proud when they get done with nursing, np, or med school. Its like being happy for being slightly above average"
Maybe just maybe they are the 1st in their family to graduate with any kind of degree..maybe she/he is a single parent who struggled working 2 jobs while finishing a nursing degree...maybe they are the person no one throught would amount to anything but they accomplished something ...People have many many reasons to be proud of whatever they accomplished because you don't know the road they traveled in order to get their ...so excuse me from a immigrant girl with nothing who is now a NP student ...yes I am proud of my slightly above average achievement. Just my 2 cents!!
" I do not understand why people are so dang proud when they get done with nursing, np, or med school. Its like being happy for being slightly above average"
Maybe just maybe they are the 1st in their family to graduate with any kind of degree..maybe she/he is a single parent who struggled working 2 jobs while finishing a nursing degree...maybe they are the person no one throught would amount to anything but they accomplished something ...People have many many reasons to be proud of whatever they accomplished because you don't know the road they traveled in order to get their ...so excuse me from a immigrant girl with nothing who is now a NP student ...yes I am proud of my slightly above average achievement. Just my 2 cents!!
Congrats! And I am proud of where I am also but my point is more that after my LPN and ADN the rest of nursing school was so underwhelming I'm not only surprised I have the privilege of diagnosing and prescribing but I feel embarrassed at our flimsy nursing education so that takes the icing off the cake for me.
I feel embarrassed at our flimsy nursing education so that takes the icing off the cake for me.
Ouch, did you have a bad experience? I can't imagine sounding so jaded and negative toward my own profession. Although I have met some moron NP's (same goes for physicians), most the NP's I encounter and work with are fantastic.
Specializes in Cardiac (adult), CC, Peds, MH/Substance.
We cant judge peoples intelligence just by their level of degree. Plenty of people do amazing without degrees and one could say us degree people required collegiate handholding to succeed. College is just learning old information, those that create new stuff are the real amazing people. New useful stuff anyway. I always had the most respect for engineering people and mathematicians. Medicine and nursing cant hold much a candle to upper level fields such as those. Of course with varience on the type of engineering.
Yup. I've worked with plenty of NPs and PAs I wouldn't trust with a yeast infection, and an occasional MD/DO. And certainly true of new grad RNs as well that tend to be better from some schools than others, though there are exceptions. It also depends when they went to certain programs, because things change in some.
Which is why in business, when someone says of an applicant, "Yeah, he's an MBA," their colleagues response is usually something like, "Oh yeah? From where?" That becomes less important once the person has more experience, but is majorly important in the initial post MBA period and usually first couple jobs after that. Same is true of engineering school and other programs. For NP/PA school, I don't think there's anything wrong with stating some schools tend to produce more capable graduates than others, but that exceptions certainly exist. And there's nothing wrong with guessing that an RN you know will continue to be a dum++++ even if they go to the Royal academy of MIT Stanfordish in collaboration the school of Harvard princes.
Ouch, did you have a bad experience? I can't imagine sounding so jaded and negative toward my own profession. Although I have met some moron NP's (same goes for physicians), most the NP's I encounter and work with are fantastic.
Nope the sad truth is I had what sounds like a very typical NP education experience at a well respected, brick and mortar school as I've mentioned usually listed in the top 10% in the country. Then I went on to another and got my post masters which was equally underwhelming. Our education was lite at best and now includes anyone who can pay tuition with an actual push to NOT have RN experience so yeah I'm jaded and don't feel it necessary to drink the Kool Aid and pretend as if things are the way they should be.
Nope the sad truth is I had what sounds like a very typical NP education experience at a well respected, brick and mortar school as I've mentioned usually listed in the top 10% in the country. Then I went on to another and got my post masters which was equally underwhelming. Our education was lite at best and now includes anyone who can pay tuition with an actual push to NOT have RN experience so yeah I'm jaded and don't feel it necessary to drink the Kool Aid and pretend as if things are the way they should be.
I am not sure about you but I have a callous on my forehead trying to prove my point. NP education is too lax. Those who do not believe it are delusional and base their case of 15 year old studies. Because things never change right. Worst part is these studies published in like 2003 take info from like 1990-2000, making them even more out dated.....
I am not sure about you but I have a callous on my forehead trying to prove my point. NP education is too lax. Those who do not believe it are delusional and base their case of 15 year old studies. Because things never change right. Worst part is these studies published in like 2003 take info from like 1990-2000, making them even more out dated.....
Man, alternative facts are just running rampant these days.
I am not sure about you but I have a callous on my forehead trying to prove my point. NP education is too lax. Those who do not believe it are delusional and base their case of 15 year old studies. Because things never change right. Worst part is these studies published in like 2003 take info from like 1990-2000, making them even more out dated.....
Yep I'm wearing down and accepting that I'm not in the majority and at this point I think the pendulum has swung too far to actually correct. In the big picture I have less than a decade left to work and plenty of money. If I decide I'm not willing to take on this level of responsibility for terrible wages I can retire, work part time for the Doc I've worked with my entire career who has a very low threshold for incompetence and will likely continue to overpay me as opposed to hiring an idiot or allow my NP licenses to lapse and go back to floor nursing which I always enjoyed so there are options. Its all good. :)
Interesting and as expected for most questions especially the area of not making any changes when dissatisfied and as I have seen as a result being miserable and subsequently making the rest of us miserable also. For crap sake, please, if you are unhappy find a way to make things better on us all.
"Nurses who said they were not happy that they became a nurse, and would not choose nursing again, were then asked what they planned to do with their careers in the next 3 years. Between one third and one half of these nurses had no firm plans to retire early, pursue a new path within nursing, reduce their hours, seek education outside of nursing, or leave the nursing profession entirely.
Overall, APRNs were less likely than RNs and LPNs to say that they planned to act on their career dissatisfaction. Older nurses who have not yet reached retirement age but are dissatisfied with nursing were more likely to say that they would retire earlier than planned."
From: Medscape APRN career satisfaction survey
Reminds me of miserable spouses who just stay and become more embittered with time. Wanting to get married or go to nursing school, did they pay attention to what they were getting into? Did they jump despite the red flags, convinced it would be different for them?
And if a majority are unhappy but make no meaningful change, does that mean the majority of nurses lack resourcefulness and empowerment?
I think an underlying cause is the type who go into nursing, many non traditional students who already have dependents and obligations without the ability to flex their lives therefore being truly stuck. With other professions, how many go into it as a second career? And I don't mean because of career and educational growth and/or opportunity but primarily to pay the bills?
Not to say that nursing isn't tough, that others don't feel stuck in their profession or that nurses aren't the only ones disillusioned with today's healthcare industry but some of us thrive in our nursing careers whereas you couldn't pay another enough to want my job.
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We cant judge peoples intelligence just by their level of degree. Plenty of people do amazing without degrees and one could say us degree people required collegiate handholding to succeed. College is just learning old information, those that create new stuff are the real amazing people. New useful stuff anyway. I always had the most respect for engineering people and mathematicians. Medicine and nursing cant hold much a candle to upper level fields such as those. Of course with varience on the type of engineering.