Measles, Mumps, Rubella... Forgotten but NOT Gone

[trishmsn]

I am a pre nursing student and also a parent who does not vax. I am not debating the topic because I know that people like myself are looked down upon here.

Only insofar as it is a reflection of ineffective research and unsupported critical thinking abilities. The nursing flirtations with voo-doo interventions such as "therapuetic touch" not withstanding, we base nursing practice on empiral studies that have been replicated and peer reviewed. Frankly, there is fifteen times the evidence of the efficacy of leeches as there is to refusal to vaccinate.

"We are constantly researching and are open to the idea of vax...."

Do you have a degree in a hard science and at least one class in statistics that makes your interpretation of the actual data valid?

I would be more than happy to review your research if you provide the links!

[branb5435]

Again, I am not going to debate the issue as my husband and I are confident in our decision. I just wanted to clear up that for many an autism link has nothing to do with it and neither do non vaccinating celebrities.

[BostonFNP, APRN]

Again, I am not going to debate the issue as my husband and I are confident in our decision. I just wanted to clear up that for many an autism link has nothing to do with it and neither do non vaccinating celebrities.

Don't debate the issue if you don't wish to, but please share the study that leads to your confidence in the decision so we can all read it.

[branb5435]

It wasn't one specific study. It was a culmination of info gathered over the years. My kids are 10, 5, 3, and 1. We have been researching this for over a decade.

[BostonFNP, APRN]

It wasn't one specific study. It was a culmination of info gathered over the years. My kids are 10, 5, 3, and 1. We have been researching this for over a decade.

Can you cite/post some of the evidence?

Again I won't debate the issue with you, but as you posted that you are well researched and confident in the decision, I am using this as a chance to better understand the motivations of those that don't vaccinate, as I typically assume that they don't have any solid research under their belt.

[branb5435]

Honestly, I don't have any links because we didn't keep them. When we first started, our son got all his vaccinations. After a few years, we became increasingly uneasy about the ingredients and stopped. We received that info from the cdc website.

I won't be posting anymore. I said what I wanted to say. I didn't post to try to change anyone's mind or to talk about how we made our decision. I just didn't like that the prevalent stereotype was that we are uneducated, celebrity stalkers who only do it because of autism. This is not an issue my husband and I took lightly. We are very well educated people who care deeply for our children and want them to be the healthiest they can be. Just like parents who vax.

[KatieMI, BSN, MSN, RN]

Some folks just don't believe anything till they see it in front of their own face, whether they know as little as pre-nursing student or as much as someone with PhD in statistics. I saw people like that turning 180 degrees during one short night and becoming staunch pro-vaxxers from die-hard opposers... the only problem was that the price of this change, which was the life of a human being. The life of their own child barely hanging there, being exact.

My own mom is now one of them. It gives her some sort of peace, although it can't change anything in the life of her child, debilitated for life by one preventable disease, and in the life of her siblings who died from another such disease.

[notnursezelda]

I would just like to point out the history behind autism and vaccinations.

Dr. Andrew Wakefield was trying to get rid of the whole 3 dose vaccine, and push his whole single vaccine "recommended course of injections."

Since the whole thing began, 16+ years ago, no one has been able to reproduce his results.

He was pursing a patent for a single measles vaccine before he began his campaign against the MMR vaccine.

In fact, this very doctor who was against the MMR vaccine is still PRO-vaccine.

The reason that autism rates appear to be going up is because the diagnosing standards have changed over the years. They have become broader. We are starting to notice it more. It was not included in the DSM until the 1960s, before hand it was labeled as different things, such as childhood schizophrenia. Even then, the requirements only were 6 bullets long.

It is important to recognize ALL factors when looking at these rates and the studies being conducted.

Who is sponsoring them?

Who are the doctors performing them?

There is a huge bias and people do have agenda's.

In the end, you can only look at hard facts.

But maybe I am wrong. I haven't read ALL the articles and studies out there.

[amygarside]

Let them learn the other way. It is very difficult to force these parents. Let them realize how important is vaccination nowadays.

[BostonFNP, APRN]

Honestly, I don't have any links because we didn't keep them. When we first started, our son got all his vaccinations. After a few years, we became increasingly uneasy about the ingredients and stopped. We received that info from the cdc website.

I won't be posting anymore. I said what I wanted to say. I didn't post to try to change anyone's mind or to talk about how we made our decision. I just didn't like that the prevalent stereotype was that we are uneducated, celebrity stalkers who only do it because of autism. This is not an issue my husband and I took lightly. We are very well educated people who care deeply for our children and want them to be the healthiest they can be. Just like parents who vax.

Branb,

In all honesty, this is exactly how the stereotype becomes prevalent. You posted that you are well educated and well researched and confident in your decision not to vaccinate your children, yet you can not cite any research or evidence for you decision. You haven't "kept" the links? Have you continued to research the issue, evaluated the new data? Medical professionals are constantly reevaluating their practice.

I don't doubt you care deeply about your children; I think most parents do. I don't think caring for a child replaces medical knowledge and research.

[branb5435]

I have printed articles, books with a ton of marked pages, and journals in my study. I didn't keep any direct links to the things we found online. I am not going to go through and get them because like I have said several times I am not here to debate this. I know it is pointless. I just wanted to say that the things that you are calling all the parents stupid for are not even what they base their decision on.

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[branb5435]

I continually research. I don't lee links online because I print out anything I find interesting to come back to it later. I haven't read anything particularly compelling lately.

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