MDE Columbia University 2021

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Hey ! I know im super early to make this thread for the MDE program at Columbia for the 2021 start year ? but I was wondering if there are any future nurses out there as eager as me to get started !!

3 minutes ago, eg96 said:

They always tell us that ? but ill believe it when we get that decisions email

Definitely feel you. The Admissions staff I spoke to said the update was from the Director this morning. We shall see!

40 minutes ago, GreenMagus87 said:

I got in off the waitlist at Yale which created a (happy) dilemma for me as I was already accepted to CUSON. This was very useful though and helped me make my decision in favor of CUSON.

@ForeverPsych and @GreenMagus87:

I wasn't going to respond to @ForeverPsych's post, but since @GreenMagus87 said the post influenced their final decision, I will try to address in general terms some of @ForeverPsych's central points, although I may miss some. And of course, any decision to attend a particular school is about subjective feelings and preferences that can't be measured by any "metrics," especially when the data points needed to make such an important decision are so scarce. 

To begin though, a central point you don't address in your above post @ForeverPsych is a school's culture. Columbia and Yale's are very different. As a born and bred New Yorker and Columbia grad, I didn't expect CUSON's administrators to be warm and fuzzy. That's just not how Columbia rolls. But I honestly didn't expect that the admissions process would be so demoralizing, or that I'd read so much negative stuff from CUSON students/grads about how "disorganized" the program is and how the school is just a "diploma mill" until you get into the DNP program. So it turns out that CUSON is very impersonal in its admissions process and in its approach to students in its MDE program. By contrast, Yale has taken a much more "personal approach" to its applicants. Yale had a real, very pleasant, and very helpful person answer emails and phone calls in real time. The interview was also conducted in real time by Directors of the sub-specialties, with opportunities to ask questions about the program and to also get a sense of the faculty you might work with. And finally, all communications, including the timeline for admissions decisions, have been crystal clear. 

As far as your other points go, the reason you received "2.5X" the financial aid from CUSON that you were offered by Yale is because the cost of living in NYC is at least 2.5X what it costs to live in New Haven. For example, for what I pay in rent for my studio apartment on the upper westside, I can easily afford a beautiful, spacious 1-bedroom in a safe part of New Haven with a parking space for a car. And unlike Columbia, Yale supports local businesses so the area around the campus/city doesn't look like a covid-induced economic apocalypse hit it, so in general, not only is the cost of living much lower, but the quality of life for Yale students is much higher than it is for Columbia students: housing is cheaper and more spacious; married couples with kids can afford to live there and attend school; the nursing school's facilities are state-of-the-art, ingeniously well-organized; and the faculty are smart and nice. (And that's not even including the theatre, music, museums, libraries, lectures and overall sense of community that is readily apparent at Yale. And @GreenMagus87 there is a sizeable ROTC cohort at Yale as well as a wonderful Divinity School ).

As far as rankings are concerned, as you know, Yale's DNP program is much newer than CUSON's and the rankings of Yale's sub-specialty programs are much higher than the general rankings you mentioned. For example, the one I was admitted to is #3 in the US, not "#17." But even with lower US NEWS "rankings," the rigor of the Yale program plus its "brand" isn't going to put any Yale grad at a disadvantage compared to a CUSON grad.

And yes, the CUSON program is shorter, and therefore relatively less expensive than Yale's, just considering tuition. But again, given the much lower cost of living in New Haven than NYC, they are fairly comparable.

Finally, the Yale program has school-based clinics, is affiliated with Yale- New Haven hospital, which like Columbia Presbyterian not only has many hospital sites but also clinical opportunities in all types of non-hospital medical settings. Plus there are many fewer members of the Yale cohort so getting extensive clinical experience is easier.

So, in terms of culture, cost, individualized education, clinical training opportunities and post-grad job placements, Yale is a wonderful place to go to school.  

I'm a New Yorker. I have a life in New York and am still hoping to get into CUSON in the second round because I don't want to uproot my life, although given the choice...  And I love Columbia, but am unbelievably dismayed by CUSON's treatment of its applicants. Every applicant deserves to be treated with consideration and civility. That is what Yale, compared to CUSON, has done. And there are no complaints that I have uncovered that describe Yale's program in as harsh a way as the comments made above by CUSON students. But attending a school is about "fit" as well as "metrics." And because they are both terrific schools, but very different ones, anyone who has the choice to attend either of them is incredibly fortunate and will end up getting a first rate education. 

Best of luck to all in your future endeavors!

4 minutes ago, againstthegrain said:

@ForeverPsych and @GreenMagus87:

I wasn't going to respond to @ForeverPsych's post, but since @GreenMagus87 said the post influenced their final decision, I will try to address in general terms some of @ForeverPsych's central points, although I may miss some. And of course, any decision to attend a particular school is about subjective feelings and preferences that can't be measured by any "metrics," especially when the data points needed to make such an important decision are so scarce. 

To begin though, a central point you don't address in your above post @ForeverPsych is a school's culture. Columbia and Yale's are very different. As a born and bred New Yorker and Columbia grad, I didn't expect CUSON's administrators to be warm and fuzzy. That's just not how Columbia rolls. But I honestly didn't expect that the admissions process would be so demoralizing, or that I'd read so much negative stuff from CUSON students/grads about how "disorganized" the program is and how the school is just a "diploma mill" until you get into the DNP program. So it turns out that CUSON is very impersonal in its admissions process and in its approach to students in its MDE program. By contrast, Yale has taken a much more "personal approach" to its applicants. Yale had a real, very pleasant, and very helpful person answer emails and phone calls in real time. The interview was also conducted in real time by Directors of the sub-specialties, with opportunities to ask questions about the program and to also get a sense of the faculty you might work with. And finally, all communications, including the timeline for admissions decisions, have been crystal clear. 

As far as your other points go, the reason you received "2.5X" the financial aid from CUSON that you were offered by Yale is because the cost of living in NYC is at least 2.5X what it costs to live in New Haven. For example, for what I pay in rent for my studio apartment on the upper westside, I can easily afford a beautiful, spacious 1-bedroom in a safe part of New Haven with a parking space for a car. And unlike Columbia, Yale supports local businesses so the area around the campus/city doesn't look like a covid-induced economic apocalypse hit it, so in general, not only is the cost of living much lower, but the quality of life for Yale students is much higher than it is for Columbia students: housing is cheaper and more spacious; married couples with kids can afford to live there and attend school; the nursing school's facilities are state-of-the-art, ingeniously well-organized; and the faculty are smart and nice. (And that's not even including the theatre, music, museums, libraries, lectures and overall sense of community that is readily apparent at Yale. And @GreenMagus87 there is a sizeable ROTC cohort at Yale as well as a wonderful Divinity School ).

As far as rankings are concerned, as you know, Yale's DNP program is much newer than CUSON's and the rankings of Yale's sub-specialty programs are much higher than the general rankings you mentioned. For example, the one I was admitted to is #3 in the US, not "#17." But even with lower US NEWS "rankings," the rigor of the Yale program plus its "brand" isn't going to put any Yale grad at a disadvantage compared to a CUSON grad.

And yes, the CUSON program is shorter, and therefore relatively less expensive than Yale's, just considering tuition. But again, given the much lower cost of living in New Haven than NYC, they are fairly comparable.

Finally, the Yale program has school-based clinics, is affiliated with Yale- New Haven hospital, which like Columbia Presbyterian not only has many hospital sites but also clinical opportunities in all types of non-hospital medical settings. Plus there are many fewer members of the Yale cohort so getting extensive clinical experience is easier.

So, in terms of culture, cost, individualized education, clinical training opportunities and post-grad job placements, Yale is a wonderful place to go to school.  

I'm a New Yorker. I have a life in New York and am still hoping to get into CUSON in the second round because I don't want to uproot my life, although given the choice...  And I love Columbia, but am unbelievably dismayed by CUSON's treatment of its applicants. Every applicant deserves to be treated with consideration and civility. That is what Yale, compared to CUSON, has done. And there are no complaints that I have uncovered that describe Yale's program in as harsh a way as the comments made above by CUSON students. But attending a school is about "fit" as well as "metrics." And because they are both terrific schools, but very different ones, anyone who has the choice to attend either of them is incredibly fortunate and will end up getting a first rate education. 

Best of luck to all in your future endeavors!

I addressed the key factors that were important to me, objectively when possible, and provided my perspective. I don't work for CUSON and don't feel a need to try and sway other people's decisions for or against CUSON. You can't go wrong with any of these top programs.

Love the breakdown of both schools. Did not apply to Yale but it was very interesting to see. Wish someone would do that for Emory! 
 

Also I’m wondering if end of the week means Friday because Monday is March 1st! 

Just now, Taiylar Ball said:


 

Also I’m wondering if end of the week means Friday because Monday is March 1st! 

I'm assuming Friday!

9 minutes ago, kac1225 said:

I'm assuming Friday!

The staff I talked to said end of this week as in by Friday. ??

I hope we all get good news!

16 minutes ago, dnpmaybe said:

The staff I talked to said end of this week as in by Friday. ??

maybe it will be earlier than Friday ?

3 hours ago, dnpmaybe said:

The staff I talked to said end of this week as in by Friday. ??

I’m really hoping it is.... I’ve been putting off confirming my second top choice school and that’s also stressing me out ? Hopefully we all hear back Friday with good news! Sending all of you positive vibes 

Hey! New to the thread. Has anybody applied to MDE/DNP and been accepted into MDE, but rejected from DNP?

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17 hours ago, kac1225 said:

Has anyone talked to admissions recently and know if decisions will be released this week? 

Yea, I spoke with admissions yesterday and they did say by the end of the week, we should know.

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