OB Rotation is Hell - page 2
I am a male nursing student. I am doing well in school overall and acing my Med surg rotations--However, my OB rotation is pure hell! i feel useless and out of place. They tossed me out of a Birthing... Read More
Nov 14, '07Specialty: 2 year(s) of experience in Cardiac ; From: US ; Joined: Jul '07; Posts: 227; Likes: 73algebra does make a pretty valid point.
major discrimination issues are based on age, race, sex, pregnancy, religion, national origin, and disability status.
sex is the only one that is routinely allowed in nursing. while i understand why, it's still discrimination.
edit: it's a job. i'm a professional. i'm competent and well trained. while i'm at work, and especially on l&d, is about the only time i have zero interest in seeing a vagina, but i have to do it to get thru nursing school.Last edit by JustinTJ on Nov 14, '07
Nov 15, '07Occupation: Med/Surg Specialty: 8 year(s) of experience in ER, Med/Surg ; From: US ; Joined: Aug '06; Posts: 481; Likes: 518I agree with Algebra,
Discrimination is discrimination. What if someone *DID* have bad history with a black person, and didn't feel comfortable with them treating them. That isn't as valid as a woman not being comfortable with a man?
Nov 15, '07Joined: Nov '07; Posts: 504; Likes: 207I am a woman, have two kids, and have zero interest in L&D. I do not wish to watch the birthing process, I didn't even want to mine when the nurse offerred a mirror. Besides, I am one that thinks it is a natural process and there are too many medical interventions in childbirth.....but that is a rant for another time.
As for some of the comments above, when I was in labor, I did not want a man (doctor or nurse) in the room. With my first I was in a big teaching hospital, and it must have been slow because there were so many people in the room. I was very upset at being the center of attention with my bare everything flapping in the wind (they say you won't be embarrassed in the moment, but I was horrified) and they never even bothered to ask if it was ok. I was too busy pushing and in pain to even say anything. I felt very vulnerable, and it was made worse by the men in the room, though I would have felt uncomfortable with a large group of women. But that is MY choice. Every woman has that choice, and her feelings are real and valid. Part of it is that I was raped. Part of it is that I am modest and of the belief that only my husband should touch me and see me naked. I don't have to justify myself. Honestly, I am surprised that many men would even want to work in L&D.
Nov 15, '07Joined: Oct '07; Posts: 5,673; Likes: 7,496Every woman has that choice, and her feelings are real and valid. Part of it is that I was raped. Part of it is that I am modest and of the belief that only my husband should touch me and see me naked.
There is this big disparity between men and women. It is getting wider every year. I think once a women refuses a male nurse, she shouldn't get any male nurse or doctor. If a male nurse isn't good enough, that male surgeon that could save your life isn't good enough.
The reason this goes on is because society has allowed it. If the country said "No more. This ends right now. You can't discriminate based on gender." women would get over it. Just like in the 40s when black nurses started circulating. It is the same issue.
When a patient tells me they aren't comfortable with a male, I tell them it is ok and then do absolutely nothing for them. If they need water, help, education or anything else, they have to wait for a female to become free. Our DON and BON addressed this issue for us because we had a shift with only men. The DON and ADON, who were the only females on shift, would not do patient care. The patients had to take us or no care at all.
Sexism is just as bad as racism.
Just think of it this way, the next time a man looks at a women in any other job than nursing and indicates that he isn't comfortable with a women handling 'his case, working on his car, or performing surgery on him,' think about how that makes you feel inside. Then remember how a lot of men feel :spin:
I don't have to justify myself. Honestly, I am surprised that many men would even want to work in L&D.
God what a bunch of crap. You don't have to justify yourself. It doesn't change the fact that you are still sexist.Last edit by Atheos on Nov 15, '07
Nov 15, '07Joined: Nov '07; Posts: 504; Likes: 207That is not being sexist. I feel very comfortable with male doctors and nurse and CNA's in general. I know some great male nurses. A good friend of mine who is a guy is in nursing school right now. I would trust him with my life....doesn't mean I want him to ses me in my most vulnerable. I have no problem with a man doing anything as long as it isn't an OBGYN issue. I cannot help that I do not feel comfortable with a man doing these things, and I am not about to make myself uncomfortable to the point of massive anxiety to make you or any other nurse feel better. I also asked a female nurse at my second delivery to leave, that I did not want her working with me because 1)she was rude, nasty and condescending and 2)she touched me (did a vaginal exam) without informing or asking permission first. That is my right as a patient.
Nov 15, '07Occupation: Mental Health RN Specialty: 3 year(s) of experience in Forensic Psychiatric Nursing ; From: US ; Joined: Sep '06; Posts: 220; Likes: 210Just finished my first day in Couplet Care today. Got the brush-off from the nurses there and ended up sitting in the hallway with my classmate, another guy. We took two BP's each and were told there's nothing else to do. No orientation to the unit, no teaching, just go sit in the hallway.
If I would have thought of it at the time I could have gone to the CI and asked for a different unit.
Pretty pathetic on the part of the nurses on the unit. And they spoke nothing but Tagalog all day so I gave up on listening to them.
Nov 17, '07Joined: Oct '06; Posts: 116; Likes: 69I am currently attending OB/GYN at a small ADN program in Texas. I'm an older guy and I have a lot of clinical experience through an interning program. When you walk into a room don't be a wallflower. Really try to help with what you know is not wrong. If you don't do anything else, walk in and put gloves on. I really think that the guy standing in the corner with his hands in his pockets or with a clipboard is the first one asked to leave. Big point with floor nurses. I tell every preceptor that I will do anything I can to help, and in return please come and get me for any learning experience. You might be surprised how far some small thing like helping grab a pitcher of water or grabbing a phone will do. If you ever tell a floor nurse that something like making a bed or taking a vital is below you, get ready for the brushoff. You need to remember that a majority of nursing is the little stuff. Getting a chair for a person to visit their neighbor or showing someone where another unit is. Now I not going to lie to you about the gender thing. This past week I had an RN tell me that she was going to go into the room of a normal vag delivery and ask if I could be present for her assessment. I told her that no one had to go in before me to ask if it was ok for an intern to cathterize a female pt or any other procedure. Often, the RN creates a problem by asking. Teaching hospitals require pts to sign a waiver allowing students to be present. They don't ask if they care about males, females, or others. I really think it is wrong for the RN to make an issue of my gender. If the pt feels strongly enough about males, then that needs to be addressed before they sign a waiver. Now, if they ask for me to leave, I'm gone. They still have a right be treated by female staff. I just think it is wrong for the primary to make an issue of the gender of the student.
Nov 17, '07Joined: Nov '07; Posts: 29; Likes: 21I had the exact same problem in my ob rotation! It's not so much the birthing mothers that cared if I was there to watch, the husbands/boyfriends usually objected. I'm a young guy, so obviously that had a huge impact on the way I was treated. Fortunately my ob instructor was very accomodating, and she even warned me that this would probably happen. So, she tried to find me alternate assignments, and if that didn't work, I just read charts all freaking day in the nursing station. But really, they can not fail you because the patients aren't comfortable with a male nurse. So attempt to be proactive, but if you're shot down, then to heck with them I say!
Nov 18, '07From: US ; Joined: Dec '05; Posts: 302; Likes: 89I only have 4 more clinical days left! What a horrible experience...
I was not allowed to watch a vag birth (only c-section) and I had to defer parts of my assessment. I think it should be up to the pt, weather or not they want a guy performing a full assessment on them. When I had med/surg the female RN students didn't go through this. The pts are fine, the babies are fine...the RNs who work on this unit make it very clear that we are not wanted. Except when muscle is needed. It's ok, just wait until I fill out my evaluation.
My highlight...when I left the pt's bedside and the female RN pulled the drape and whispered to me "you can leave now". Before I left the room I heard the pt say "did he leave yet? I had a question for the Dr."
Nov 18, '07Specialty: SRNA ; Joined: Dec '03; Posts: 513; Likes: 23Man - I must have lucked out. Three of the five nursing students in my rotation were guys. I figured since I was at a small community hospital we wouldn't see anything. Just the opposite! There were no refusals and I saw a ton of v and c deliveries. Very cool experience overall. The funny thing was that some of the nurses said they would never let a guy work there. I suppose some people believe sexism is the way to go.
I'm in grad school now and I have another OB rotation coming up next fall. Let's hope I have the same good luck with patients.
Nov 19, '07Specialty: 2 year(s) of experience in Med-Tele, Internal Med PCU ; From: US ; Joined: Oct '07; Posts: 297; Likes: 169I'm one of 2 guys in my class and we're both 41. It's just luck of the draw, in our L&D rotation there wasn't 1 baby born! There were 6 laboring mothers, and 4 allowed us in the room ... although 1 of mine (17yo) suddenly got shy... Her mom said "shoulda shown some modesty 9 months ago", I had to look away to not show my smirk. I did respect her privacy but, did stay to observe and assist the RN just avoided being right in the business.
The RN was great, she verbally walked me through each and every process in text book fashion.
I don't understand it, everyone wants the best trained but then isn't willing to allow students (male or female).
Nov 27, '07Occupation: LPN/Student Specialty: LTC Geriatrics ; Joined: Nov '04; Posts: 19; Likes: 3I'm currently in the middle of my OB rotation and its been easy sailing so far. The instructor is giving me this vibe that she doesn't expect much from me when it comes to the care of the LD and MB client since I am a guy. However, I would just advise that the best way to go is to put aside any emotional gender issues and keep the client care in mind. For me I'm just ignoring the fact that I'm a guy during the rotation and focusing on the aspect of being the best caregiver that I can be. Getting over this OB hump is definitely going to secure or at least improve the "maleness" in this nursing field.
Nov 27, '07Occupation: charge nurse/infection control/union leader Specialty: 20 year(s) of experience in LTC ; Joined: Jan '07; Posts: 119; Likes: 16My last OB/Gyn rotation as a student was over 20 years ago, but the scars remain...
I can laugh now, but being a 19 yr old baby faced student probably made things that much worse for my patients in our small community hospital.
The upside was that the rotation was split in two: 1/2 was spent on the floor with the moms, and the other 1/2 was in the nursery and L&D, which was great.
I had to do 2 rotations: a 2 week rotation and a 6 week rotation. The first rotation went by pretty quickly; I had a clinical instructor that felt my pain and took me under her wing, and made it more tolerable for everyone. I almost enjoyed it. Almost.
My 6 week rotation was hell; my instructor verbalized her distaste for men in nursing to begin with, was more critical of our performance and actually went out of her way to intimidate us and generally make our lives miserable. I loved the L&D and working with the newborns for the first 3 weeks - I had decided then that I wanted to work in a neonatal ICU. Then came working on the floor with the moms...I actually called in sick for several days, probably about 5, just beacause I was so stressed, and when the rotation was over, right before the Christmas break, I was given an incomplete because of my missed days and told that I could pass the rotation IF I made up all my missed time...over the Christmas holidays. So, bad news: a week on OB with just me and my clinical instructor. The good news? My clinical instructor would be the one I had for my original 2 week rotation and it actually went okay - the staff knew why I was making up my time and helped me out, and it was actually really slow on the floor, and I survived.
I never did persue my original desire for neonatal care and actually ended up at the opposite end of the spectrum in long term care!