Our hospital just applied for magnet,theyhope to have it by the end of this year or early 09. None of us can see what it will do for the floor nurse,it seems to be taken by most as a pat on the back for the corporation. None of the nurses are happy,if they interview me tomorrow I can guarantee they wont get it.My floor has 30 beds,gets 15-20 admits daily with 15 discharges, busiest floor in house by 10 to 1 margin. At night we have 9 or 10 patients each,all obs,all stat orders. Our ratings are awful simply because of the crappy staffing, when you have 10 people,usually 1 pca for the 30,how can you possibly do all that is needed to keep the people happy? Does magnet help things like this?
My hospital is far from Magnet status. Nor are they going to apply. Management was going to attempt, however, they realized it futile for them with the poor working conditions. Our PCU telemetry floors are known to have 1:7 and 1:8 or 9 on occassion; for ALL three shifts. Our oncology floor averages the same ratio. Not to mention, most of our ICU's carry 1:3 on Day and Night shift. I am looking forward to leaving in May when the RN is finished. I have to rant and rave a bit, I apologize. Our administration still doesn't realize that work satisfaction is higher with a supportive environment/culture, not just pay. I was at a meeting two weeks ago and the comment was: "I just don't understand, you would think the staff would come in with the double pay we are offering." Too little, too late.:angryfire
As usual, only about 1/5th of the survey addresses the patients.
If anyone wants that link, PM me. I can't see any reason letting a facility win that recognition with any nurse-patient ratios. Magnet Certs will probably not help the fight against staffing issues. Comparisons could be very painful. Losing the award if the applied for it could hit their reality buttons hard.
It is just a status symbol, just as (IMHO) the certifications nurses get so they can alphabet soup behind their name. Please no flaming I know you worked hard for that and payed alot of money.
I'm not flaming, but I am curious as to why you got your BSN. Is it just a status symbol? If not, how do you differentiate yourself- a BSN- when an ADN gets you the same license, from those who certify themselves in their field of specialty?
ADNs can't work in management. And alot of places pay more for BSN's . Some cities will only hire nurses with BSN. I think that was mean of you to say that it's a status symbol. Sorry Babe it's a higher degree. Oh and I am an ADN Nurse
As usual, only about 1/5th of the survey addresses the patients.
If anyone wants that link, PM me. I can't see any reason letting a facility win that recognition with any nurse-patient ratios. Magnet Certs will probably not help the fight against staffing issues. Comparisons could be very painful. Losing the award if the applied for it could hit their reality buttons hard.
I posted the link for the Magnet satisfaction survey on page one of this thread. Once again, survey responders remain anonymous and the survey could be used to change a hospital's Magnet status. In other words, if your hospital is a Magnet hospital and you don't think they deserve it, fill out the survey and tell the ANCC why.
At least in this case, the hospitals cannot get away with pulling a scam. Magnet designation is either deserved or it can be taken away.
I am 'justavolunteer' on a pt unit. The hospital I am at is starting to crank up thr PR blitz for magnet status. They are already sending out press releases about it that make it sound like it's a done deal. At the same time they have been increasing pt load, (at least on my unit), as well as finding increased reasons to write up nurses & CNA's for every little thing. I have heard that at some time, the people who hand out magnet status get to survey the nurses. If our nurses get asked, I wouldn't hold a lot of hope for the magnet award. I don't know what hospital managers are thinking sometimes. It is supposed to be physically impossible to put one's head up you-know-where, but they seem to be doing it easily.
Specializes in Vents, Telemetry, Home Care, Home infusion.
from link angie o'plasty posted:
although you are not required to identify the facility in which you work, doing so will provide us with valuable information that can be incorporated into our evaluations of current and prospective magnet facilities. two of the most important ways the magnet program office uses this information are for receiving information regarding organizations preparing for a site visit and gaining input on issues important to nurses regarding already designated magnet facilities.
for organizations preparing for a site visit, the comments received and attributed to an upcoming site visit are collated and sent to the appraisal team of that particular organization. the appraisers then amplify, verify, and clarify the validity of that input during the site visit.
staff nurses input is invaluable to making sure facility actually demonstrating superior nursing involvment and say in patient care and practice environment.
the magnet recognition program accepts comments at any time. please call toll-free 1-866-588-3301.
input from the patients, families, clients, staff, and public with whom health care organizations interact is sought to assist magnet program appraisers in the evaluation of organizations applying for magnet designation.
LOL Your nite staffing is busy with 5-6 patients. I would give half my pay to just have 5 people at night,a good night we have 7,most nights 8-10 and i am in management with this load!! I certainly hope it improves staffing,but right now,if they came for the nurse interviews,there is no way in hell they will get it,morale is down all over due to staffing and pay issues.
LOL Your nite staffing is busy with 5-6 patients. I would give half my pay to just have 5 people at night,a good night we have 7,most nights 8-10 and i am in management with this load!! I certainly hope it improves staffing,but right now,if they came for the nurse interviews,there is no way in hell they will get it,morale is down all over due to staffing and pay issues.
Specializes in cardiac/critical care/ informatics.
I'm not flaming, but I am curious as to why you got your BSN. Is it just a status symbol? If not, how do you differentiate yourself- a BSN- when an ADN gets you the same license, from those who certify themselves in their field of specialty?
The only reason I got my BSN was to broaden the jobs that I could get.
I was refering to the certifications not education. certifications for med-surg critical care etc, you have to pay hundreds of dollars for it and what do you get for it?
Oh but our nite supervisors say 'dont play the it isnt safe card with me'. Its very sad,8-10 isnt safe,you just cant watch that many people when you have 3 or 4 confused 90 year olds it's just awful.They will never get magnet if they interview us now,we a 30 bed unit.Busiest floor in hospital by 10 to 1.We have 10-15 discharges a day and 10-20 admits a day.Most of these come between 3pm and midnight.We usually have 3 RN for 25 patients,then they fill us to 30 overnight.
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My hospital is far from Magnet status. Nor are they going to apply. Management was going to attempt, however, they realized it futile for them with the poor working conditions. Our PCU telemetry floors are known to have 1:7 and 1:8 or 9 on occassion; for ALL three shifts. Our oncology floor averages the same ratio. Not to mention, most of our ICU's carry 1:3 on Day and Night shift. I am looking forward to leaving in May when the RN is finished. I have to rant and rave a bit, I apologize. Our administration still doesn't realize that work satisfaction is higher with a supportive environment/culture, not just pay. I was at a meeting two weeks ago and the comment was: "I just don't understand, you would think the staff would come in with the double pay we are offering." Too little, too late.:angryfire