LPN grad eligible to take nclex in california

dollar_rate · May 31, 2009

Does the board know you used your ITIN number? If they think it is a social security number that could be an issue.

I applied to BVNPT and they knew that I am a foreigner thats why its impossible for me to have US SS number, they suggested to process itin instead. I found a very good accountant who processed my itin and the IRS gave me a temporary TIN. I passed it on to bvnpt and luckily they considered it.

dollar_rate · May 31, 2009

You will more than likely find it hard to get a tourist visa to sit an exam that can now be sat in the Philippines

Currently I'm residing abroad and a permanent resident too, so Im planning to apply for a tourist US visa here not in the philippines. Just a thought of being rejected twice before (7 yrs ago) of getting a US visa made me so paranoid now hahaha. I just want to take my nclex in the states and visit my relatives there at the same time thats it.

Silverdragon102, BSN · May 31, 2009

I applied to BVNPT and they knew that I am a foreigner thats why its impossible for me to have US SS number, they suggested to process itin instead. I found a very good accountant who processed my itin and the IRS gave me a temporary TIN. I passed it on to bvnpt and luckily they considered it.

Most do not meet requirements for a ITIN number as most are not required to file a US tax return until they are in the US and earning a wage. You are only entitled to a US ITIN if you have to file a tax return and are not allowed to obtain a SSN

What is an ITIN?

An Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) is a tax processing number issued by the Internal Revenue Service. It is a nine-digit number that always begins with the number 9 and has a 7 or 8 in the fourth digit, example 9XX-7X-XXXX.

IRS issues ITINs to individuals who are required to have a U.S. taxpayer identification number but who do not have, and are not eligible to obtain a Social Security Number (SSN) from the Social Security Administration (SSA).

ITINs are issued regardless of immigration status because both resident and nonresident aliens may have U.S. tax return and payment responsibilities under the Internal Revenue Code.

Individuals must have a filing requirement and file a valid federal income tax return to receive an ITIN, unless they meet an exception.

IRS ITIN

Ginger's Mom, MSN, RN · May 31, 2009

Dale City RN- you made excellent points, LPNS ( same as LVNs) have not been employed in my state since the 1990s. I think this poster is planning on working in a nursing home.

Silverdragon- if this poster has a green card, she is eligible for a SSN.

Silverdragon102, BSN · May 31, 2009

Silverdragon- if this poster has a green card, she is eligible for a SSN.

That is true but I was responding to dollar_rate

dollar_rate · Jun 1, 2009

Most do not meet requirements for a ITIN number as most are not required to file a US tax return until they are in the US and earning a wage. You are only entitled to a US ITIN if you have to file a tax return and are not allowed to obtain a SSN
What is an ITIN?
An Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) is a tax processing number issued by the Internal Revenue Service. It is a nine-digit number that always begins with the number 9 and has a 7 or 8 in the fourth digit, example 9XX-7X-XXXX.
IRS issues ITINs to individuals who are required to have a U.S. taxpayer identification number but who do not have, and are not eligible to obtain a Social Security Number (SSN) from the Social Security Administration (SSA).
ITINs are issued regardless of immigration status because both resident and nonresident aliens may have U.S. tax return and payment responsibilities under the Internal Revenue Code.
Individuals must have a filing requirement and file a valid federal income tax return to receive an ITIN, unless they meet an exception.
IRS ITIN

Actually when we first applied to IRS for an for ITIN , I was rejected. then my very good accountant made an appeal and sent to them the letter that was sent to me by bvnpt stating the I need to have an itin in order for me to take the exam. After many months of waiting, IRS sent me a letter with the temporary itin, i paid $75 for that, it was also stated that they will made it official once I get a work in the US and starting to pay taxes.

dollar_rate · Jun 1, 2009

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I highly advice that you to go back to school and get your RN degree. Here in the San Francisco Bay Area, and I suspect that this is also true in Southern California, the best acute care hospitals no longer hire LVNs (called LPNs in the rest of the USA). Many hospitals in California have or are switching to an all-RN inpatient staffing and I suspect that other states may follow California's lead once this current economic recession is over.
The acute care hospitals traditionally pay the highest salaries for nurses ($45-$65/hr. in California's large urban areas). These acute care hospitals have realized that the LVNs, with all due respect to them, can no longer meet the demands of a patient population with high acuity, ever advancing medical technology and a litiguous society. If you doubt that hospitals here are no longer accepting LVNs for employment, just check the web sites of the best and biggest acute care hospitals in the SF Bay Area and you will find that many of these hospitals no longer hire LVNs. What LVNs that they have left in their employment were hired many years ago.
In one large medical center that I know very well, (I retired from there last year) I've heard from reliable sources that some of the LVNs were reassigned as phlebotomists, or worse, as nursing assistants in another facility albeit still with LVN salaries. Some of the LVN positions may become redundant (read: laid off).
I'm currently working part time in a private nursing agency and they too have stopped hiring LVNs. I recently learned about this policy when a friend of mine who is an LVN (she is finishing her RN schooling)wanted to work in the said agency. The RN supervisor in the agency told me to advice my LVN friend apply at the agency once she gets her RN license and a year of experience as an RN.
I predict that sooner or later, the best acute care hospitals, medical centers, trauma centers, children's hospitals, etc in California and the rest of the U.S.A. for that matter, will have only all-RN inpatient staffing. Add to the fact that a practical nursing degree does not meet the requirements for U.S. immigration, therefore I highly advice the prospective foreign Practical Nurses to go back to school and get their RN degree, even if you are already here in the U.S. with a legal status. The number one beneficiary if you follow this unsolicited advice is none other than you.
Good luck.
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Hi! thanks for the warning! I heard about this many years ago even before I started my LPN study. What I knew is, its hard for LPNs to take jobs in the hospital but how about in the nursing homes? I would also consider working in the nursing homes, its fine with me. Im planning to continue my study to RN or even to BSN once i get there, not in the philippines because the ladderized program from LPN to RN is not yet officially approved. If I continue to BSN, its taking forever... its a waste of time.

brichielpn08, BSN, RN · Jun 1, 2009

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I highly advice that you to go back to school and get your RN degree. Here in the San Francisco Bay Area, and I suspect that this is also true in Southern California, the best acute care hospitals no longer hire LVNs (called LPNs in the rest of the USA). Many hospitals in California have or are switching to an all-RN inpatient staffing and I suspect that other states may follow California's lead once this current economic recession is over.
The acute care hospitals traditionally pay the highest salaries for nurses ($45-$65/hr. in California's large urban areas). These acute care hospitals have realized that the LVNs, with all due respect to them, can no longer meet the demands of a patient population with high acuity, ever advancing medical technology and a litiguous society. If you doubt that hospitals here are no longer accepting LVNs for employment, just check the web sites of the best and biggest acute care hospitals in the SF Bay Area and you will find that many of these hospitals no longer hire LVNs. What LVNs that they have left in their employment were hired many years ago.
In one large medical center that I know very well, (I retired from there last year) I've heard from reliable sources that some of the LVNs were reassigned as phlebotomists, or worse, as nursing assistants in another facility albeit still with LVN salaries. Some of the LVN positions may become redundant (read: laid off).
I'm currently working part time in a private nursing agency and they too have stopped hiring LVNs. I recently learned about this policy when a friend of mine who is an LVN (she is finishing her RN schooling)wanted to work in the said agency. The RN supervisor in the agency told me to advice my LVN friend apply at the agency once she gets her RN license and a year of experience as an RN.
I predict that sooner or later, the best acute care hospitals, medical centers, trauma centers, children's hospitals, etc in California and the rest of the U.S.A. for that matter, will have only all-RN inpatient staffing. Add to the fact that a practical nursing degree does not meet the requirements for U.S. immigration, therefore I highly advice the prospective foreign Practical Nurses to go back to school and get their RN degree, even if you are already here in the U.S. with a legal status. The number one beneficiary if you follow this unsolicited advice is none other than you.
Good luck.
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Its funny how you post this you so called WARNING.. and there still lots of nursing school in CA offering LVN courses. So where do you think all this student go after they graduate? They should tell them your warning, to all this LVN school so they can shot down and stop accepting student to be an LVN since you said they wont hire them anymore...sound silly right??... This is been going on and on for so many years now and still LVN are being accepted for work all over the US...So get your thing right..Its not going to happen. When the Board said we will phase out LVN then maybe i will believe you...CA may not be using LVN , but not other US states..

Daly City RN · Jun 1, 2009

Hi! thanks for the warning! I heard about this many years ago even before I started my LPN study. What I knew is, its hard for LPNs to take jobs in the hospital but how about in the nursing homes? I would also consider working in the nursing homes, its fine with me. Im planning to continue my study to RN or even to BSN once i get there, not in the philippines because the ladderized program from LPN to RN is not yet officially approved. If I continue to BSN, its taking forever... its a waste of time.

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You quoted: "If I continue to BSN, its taking forever... its a waste of time."

Going back to school to improve your resume is NEVER a waste of time. And it is of course it is going to take forever if you do not start in the first place. I presume you are from the Philippines where the LPN program is NOT even officially recognized by the (Philippine) Prefessional Regulatory Commission.

When I was still working as a staff RN is a large medical center here in the San Francisco Bay Area (California) I adviced many young LVNs to go back to school to get their RN degree. I often told them, "If you are going to work for the next 30-40 years anyway, why not be an RN and therefore you will have far more job opportunities and have the potential to earn far more money than remaining as an LVN.

Many LVNs in 'my' former hospital have been demoted, although they used to earn around $50,000/year. That may sound a lot of money for someone from the Philippines, but if you live in the expensive SF Bay Area, you are just barely getting by after paying your taxes, rent or mortgage, food, utilities, car payment, insurance, etc. Sadly, many job opportunities for LVNs in acute care hospitals in California's large cities are vanishing. LVNs are still needed in nursing homes however, but the working conditions, benefits, salaries, etc are generally inferior compared to those in acute care hospitals.

Why not then improve yourself and go back to school? It's for your own benefit. In 'my' former hospital, RNs are offered starting salaries of around $80,000/year. As you go up the seniority ladder you can earn as much as $120,000/year as a staff RN. Additionally, RN salaries go up every year. Do you doubt this statement? Google the salaries of RNs in acute care hospitals in the San Francisco Bay Area.

A caveat though, this economic recession has somewhat slowed the hiring of new nurses, but this is another reason to make yourself more marketable by going back to school and get your RN degree.

I am 52 years old and RETIRED. I am receiving monthly lifetime pension from my former hospital. I am currently working part-time in a private nursing agency and I love my new job. My wife and I plan to retire in the Philippines in about 5 years or so, God willing. These would not been possible had I not tried to improve myself from being an LVN to an RN almost 30 years ago.

When you go to bed tonight, think about your plans for your future. Would it be a better one?

Young ladies and gentlemen...It is all up to you.

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Daly City RN · Jun 2, 2009

Its funny how you post this you so called WARNING.. and there still lots of nursing school in CA offering LVN courses. So where do you think all this student go after they graduate? They should tell them your warning, to all this LVN school so they can shot down and stop accepting student to be an LVN since you said they wont hire them anymore...sound silly right??... This is been going on and on for so many years now and still LVN are being accepted for work all over the US...So get your thing right..Its not going to happen. When the Board said we will phase out LVN then maybe i will believe you...CA may not be using LVN , but not other US states..

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Where do I think all these LVN students will go after they graduate? Good question!

I only wrote that job opportunities for LVNs are not so good in California's large urban areas like the S.F. Bay Area and L.A.. I also wrote that this is happening only in acute care hospitals while skilled nursing facilities in California still hire LVNs but the pay, benefits and working conditions are not as good. I suspect that the acute care hospitals in California's rural areas may still be hiring LVNs but I'm not 100% sure because I live here in the S.F. Bay Area. "My former hospital" has stopped hiring LVNs several years ago. I consider many of the LVNs there my personal friends and I was saddened to hear about their demotions and possible lay offs. I also know that a large HMO that run hospitals in California has also stopped hiring new LVNs several years ago. And two world-renowned and very prestigious university hospitals located in the S.F. Bay Area have only RNs in their inpatient units.

I never wrote that LPNs will dissapear in U.S. hospitals, but if hospitals in cities like New York, Chicago, or Boston for example follow California's trend, then the trend to all-RN staffing may spread to many parts of the U.S. I emphasize the word "may". If that trend materializes, therefore LPNs 'may' be in lesser demand.

I worked as an LVN almost 30 years ago. I knew in my heart that I could improve myself. I worked hard to obtain my RN license. Afterwhich I got promoted, I got job offers from other hospitals, and my financial situation vastly improved after I became an RN, and my family benefited from this. I worked hard for so many years and for every dollar I earned.

If you want to remain an LPN/LVN, then that is your choice.

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Home Health Columnist / Guide · Jun 2, 2009

lpn's are not utilized in most philadelphia hospitals due to the complexity of patient care: patients that are on general med surg units would have been in icu 5-10 yrs ago. they are still utilized heavily in snf, home care, medical clinics, wellness centers and some physicians offices. all the hospital based snf"s in delaware county have closed limiting snf employment to the big chains here--not desirable. when choosing this role, look at the job market in your area before taking the plunge expecting to work in a hospital environment. ads are even down in advance for lpn tristate philly publication. [color=#2200cc]advance for lpns

went lpn route in 1977 cause new hubby couldn't bear to think of me in college 3 more yrs to complete degree; within 2 yrs after graduation, he encouraged me to complete bsn program---best decision as i've now been major breadwinner past 7yrs after his work related injurys then his employer left our state.

brichielpn08, BSN, RN · Jun 7, 2009

Im taking my NCLEX on June 20...I hope i pass..please pray for me..

Thanks:loveya: