Locker Room Talk

A Baby Boomer seeks the ear of a millennial, pondering how her generation of nurses is seen by young, new graduates. Nurses Announcements Archive

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A seasoned nursing colleague tells me we're invisible to people under 30. Is this true for veteran nurses and new graduates? What are you saying about us in the locker room? Are we even on your radar? We look at you, your young limbs and unlined face. We remember being in your shoes, thankful we survived the rigors of nursing school and passed the dreaded NCLEX exam.

When our career began, we wore a cap, a starched white uniform, white support hose, and white nursing shoes. Our hair, like our male counterpart, had to be off our collars or pinned up. You have a thousand scrubs to choose from, one to reflect your personality, tout your school, or express your tastes.

We marvel at your computer skills and texting abilities. You've never known life without a computer or cell phone. We remember doing lab and x-ray requests by hand and charting on paper with ink in three different colors, black for day shift, green for the evening and red for nights.

We've been made to believe the hospital will fall down if we don't show up. Our parents, survivors of the depression, beat that work ethic into us. You seem to know there's more to life than work. When a younger nurse calls in or asks to take off we're aghast. What, ask off for a holiday!? What is she/he thinking? You have to earn that privilege, work your way up. In the locker room, we grumble, "They're not even the one preparing the turkey? Why do they need the day off?"

We've seen vast changes in healthcare, some for the better. Our intentions were good when we provided milk and Maalox at the bedside of our peptic ulcer patients. Doctors order said they were to drink 30 ccs, alternating every other hour, only to discover this was the worst possible treatment. You discovered a pesky bacteria called H-pylori was the real culprit.

Our cataract patients stayed several days. Heaven forbid they have nausea and vomiting. Allow that to happen and we'd undue the surgeon's good work. We kept our post-op patient supine with bilateral sandbags to keep the head level. You'll rarely see a cataract surgery unless you work for an ophthalmologist's office.

Labor and delivery have changed. We saw the inclusion of fathers serving as a support person, but only if he attended prepared childbirth classes. Your expectant couple may be two mothers. Our newborns were wheeled back to the nursery, none of that rooming-in business. Fortunately, someone figured out this was an ideal time for new parents to get acquainted with their infant. On admission, our laboring mother might admit to the recreational use of alcohol or pot. Your clinical rotation as a student likely included the horror of watching a baby withdrawing from narcotics. Opioid addiction is a household phrase today.

One member of our team, whose position may have been eliminated by electronic medical records, was our unit secretary or ward clerk. A good one was like a dispatcher for law enforcement. She paid attention to everything and sent us where we needed to go. She prioritized wants and needs and told us which call light was most urgent. You don't have her to rely on. Your ability to maintain eye contact has been altered. You have a new appendage, a computer. You are responsible for all the data entry the unit secretary provided for us.

We jokingly call menopause, "mental pause." There is truth in humor. There are days when we feel dull and miss our mental acuity. We learn to laugh at ourselves, but not too hard because our bladder control is not what it used to be. Are we grumpy or kind to you? Are we eager to share pearls of wisdom? How are you treated when you ask about a policy or a procedure? Do we respect you as colleagues, or do we act like Nurse Ratched? Do you know who she is?

Are we co-existing, living in harmony and sharing a common goal? Do we come together in caring for our patients, or is there tension in the air? What are you saying about us in the locker room? Do we show up on your radar?

Not invisible. The young 'uns are smart and know who they can count on. It was always a pleasure to be a resource.

Specializes in Pediatrics.

You're not invisible.

You're the one I call when I can't figure something out or need a second opinion.

You're the one who shows me that colostomy bags have a surprisingly broad number of unconventional uses.

You're the one who shows me how to jiggle the bedrail juuuuuuuuuuust right to get to it slide down.

You're the one that threw a young, rude surgeon out of the unit for being nasty to me, to which I whispered "holy f***! Nurses can do that?!"

You're the one that showed me how to handle creepy male patients who make inappropriate comments.

You're the one who reminded me that the my sweet, frail dementia patient needs to be kept out of suckerpunch range

You're the one who caught me before I made a stupid mistake and counseled me instead of just complaining to a manager about me.

You're the one who tolerates me watching terrible reality TV in the breakroom.

You're the one who walks calmly into the room, pats my hand, tells me to calm down and use my clinical skills when I'm frazzled over a patient desatting

You're the one who acts guilty and ashamed when you bring your laptop to work so I can fix it (seriously, it's fine, I owe you 3523892 favors)

You're the one who always seem surprised when I thank you.

You're not invisible. Sometimes you just being present in the same space creates an environment where I feel supported enough to do things on my own. I mean, a lighthouse may not feel as though it interacts with all these ships passing in the night, but they are so much more important than they realize.

I rely on my older nurses so much and thank them every day. I feel comfortable and secure when they are around. Yes, computer charting is amazing and helpful and us newbies (2.5 years and I still consider myself a newbie lol) are probably better at navigating the system, however, when a pt is going downhill, those experienced nurses are gold. They've seen so much and their assessment skills will never compare to ours (and that's ok, we just need time). I eavesdrop all the time when seasoned nurses talk because that's how I learn. As for locker room talk, I rarely hear anything bad said about "older" nurses. We need you and THANK YOU!!!

I was born in the early 80s and became a nurse in my late 20s. I didnt grow up with computers the way many of the nurses younger than me have. It was a word prcoesser and AOL was the only thing we really had my first couple years into adulthood. Ive had mixed experiences with collegues and patients. I dont really go in for the printed scrubs, but I like different color nail polishes and many of the older nurses and patients voiced their opinions. I think for me perosnally the biggest challenge is that becasue I look really young I feel like when Ive started new positions I got challenged by both the drs and nurses about my abilities and being an LPN doesnt help. I have had a few older nurses that did take to me and respected my work ethic. I grew up rough and worked fr everything I had since I was 14. Once they saw I was hard worker and I knew my stuff they often wold ask me things. I think it depends on the work environment a lot too. Some places have a very competitive culture and that can kind of make the generation gaps wider in my eyes.

Side Note its not in this case it would be Rachet spelled with a t, not ed ( no harm intended, I just know becasue Im the wild outspoken one and a patient called me that and it stuck for 2 yrs:-))

This was a good response in many ways. I often felt that many of my coworkers simply didnt respect me because they thought i was a "kid" in their eyes. Im headed toward 40 but I look like my 13 year olds twin to the point people ask where our mother is when we go into certain places. Once they hear me say i have teenagers they begin treating me differently. I think the culture here in the states does not respect young people. My daughters social studies teacher said to me they dont know who theyd vote for theyre just repeating what their parents said...I was floored. People often think younger people arent valuable,or able to form their own opinions, even when youre a younger adult.

I truly did enjoy this post. Yes, I am under 30 (barely) ;) but I have formed close bonds with my "older" nurses. The ones who shudder at my tattoos and are baffled at sometimes crude sense of humor. However they realize that I'm there to get the job done, I want to do well and I'm not afraid to ask their advice or run a situation by them. I've been more than flattered when they've asked my help. We shouldn't make this an Us vs. Them, let's rock nursing together

Specializes in OB, Medical-Legal, Public Health.

You remind me of LVN school. Most of the students were like me, in their twenties. Our oldest was 60 years old. She was a widow and had always wanted to be a nurse. She fit right in.

Specializes in OB, Medical-Legal, Public Health.

I like that nurse.

Specializes in OB, Medical-Legal, Public Health.

Thank you Davey Do. You've seen a lot of history. I'm grateful for antibiotics like Penicillin, but that's a love-hate relationship with super bugs. Can you imagine 11 essay questions for boards!? What a nightmare. As my husband, a male nurse quotes, "What a long strange trip its been." The Grateful Dead said it first.

Specializes in OB, Medical-Legal, Public Health.

SpankedinPittsburgh, I like hearing your perspective. The last 14 years of my career were in a rural setting in the mountains of North Carolina. Our family centered care unit nurses often worked alone with the shift manager as back-up. In public health, the position I retired from, we were all so spread so thin we didn't have time to compare age differences. The motto was doing less with more.

Specializes in OB, Medical-Legal, Public Health.

Yikes, sounds like I hit a nerve. PCNurse88 Sorry. No, this article was not meant to be inflammatory, merely a writing exercise. I'm retired. The last time I got to talk to a young group of nurses was in the hospital cafeteria. It was fun comparing notes. I hope life lightens up for you, and I deeply regret the student loan part. That grieves me. I have young professional friends who aren't sure how they'll ever pay their's back.

Specializes in OB, Medical-Legal, Public Health.
You're not invisible.

Wow! You made me cry. This is one of the most beautiful things I've read. Please accept my heartfelt gratitude. I'll share it with the husband, another old nurse.

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