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I'm just whinning........certainly to a group of intellectuals that can somehow utilize this contradictory load of crap.

I'm certain this will be the only useless part of school, but I just can't get "up" for this.

I've been staring at it since early this morning. I can't see any content when I read it. It's like one of those pictures that you're supposed to look at and kind of let your eyes go out of focus and out pops a spaceship or some other such image that's not apparent by just looking at it. It's as if it's just someone talking about how thier day went or making casual conversation. When it does try to make a point, it only speculates, never settling on one thing, but presenting a range of possibilities.......all possibilities.

So they can never be wrong.....................how convienient.

I'm supposed to be writting a bibliography. I have to read and summarize ten papers.

I have to summarize speculation................beautiful.

Morons.:p

I sure hope I never end up your patient because I am going to DEMAND to see the care plan you have made up for me to make sure Erikson's stage of development for my age group is on it, and how you have planned to

We'll never see eachother in that situation,but I'm sure if you demanded anything or needed comforting you would not find what you needed in a care plan.

I'm quite sure that a theory of development buried in a moutain of paperwork that everyone avoids like the plauge will be the least of your concerns.

But I would take good care of you anyway as you abused and humiliated me.:imbar

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I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't read it in my psychology text first

Cheerful,and any other faith healers out there,A direct quote from Psychology (Santock 2000)

"Mental processes are trickier to define than behavior;they are the thoughts,feelings,and motives that each of us experiences privately but that cannot be observed directly . Though we cannot directly see thoughts and feelings,they are nonetheless real. They include kissing someone,a baby's feelings when its mother leaves the room,and a college student's memory of the motorcycle episode"

end quote

Ok,that would seem to be a direct contradiction to the "trust vs mistrust" theory that says that feelings of a newborn are observable.

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No, the behaviors of a newborn that are caused by its feelings are what's observable! Babies can actually be diagnosed with behavioral signs of depression at only a few months old. I understand your hatred of Erickson, he wasn't my favorite, but I had to comment on the babies have no real feelings idea, because they do.

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Originally posted by Peeps Mcarthur

But we never said much of anything to eachother. You just told me how it is. You didn't explain anything.

I asked questions and you told me I was difficult for doing so?

Why are you treating me this way?

Geeze.............psych majors:rolleyes:

:rotfl: PEEPS - PEEPS - PEEPS...What on earth will I do with you, man! You drain me.........needed to get rejuiced to deal with ya that's all. :rotfl: I've taught you, you've taught me, we both agree to disagree about the Life Span course, so what else can I tell ya, Peeps? :chuckle

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originally posted by peeps mcarthur

we'll never see eachother in that situation,but i'm sure if you demanded anything or needed comforting you would not find what you needed in a care plan.

i'm quite sure that a theory of development buried in a moutain of paperwork that everyone avoids like the plauge will be the least of your concerns.

but i would take good care of you anyway as you abused and humiliated me.:imbar

okay, peeps...as a former instructor in the healthcare field...i most definitely would be concerned about what's on the nursing care plan for me as a patient. you apparently have never taken care of any nurses. becoming a "patient" does not undo who we are as nurses...we bring our nursing brains with us when we have to be hospitalized, and we just can't help ourselves from thinking like nurses during our care. so....learn life span -- especially erikson -- for your patients' sake...you see peeps...nursing is not abut peeps, or cheerfuldoer, or any other nurse...nursing is all about the care of the patient...and if erikson is what i want as a patient, then erikson is what i'll expect to see in the area of you treating my "psycho/social" stage of development. if you do not use erikson on me as a patient...i'll bawl :crying2: 'til the nurse manager says "give her what she wants...pleeeeeezzzz...just shut her up, why don't cha! :rotfl:

i luv ya anyways...in spite of your non erikson loving self! :kiss

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originally posted by darby1

hey guys,

i've spent probably an hour or more trying to get the "jist" of this thread, and i'm still confused. from what i can gather, peeps is a man around 40 y.o.a., is that right? peeps also stated that he has a 4.0 average in all classes except this "lifespan" course, which he has withdrawn from twice. am i right so far? anyway, the lady he has been discussing this course with is a psych major, right? i hope i haven't misquoted anyone, for that's not my intention. i can see peep's point about psych courses being "boring",and he can't see where it will be of use to him. i can also see mrs. cheerful's point about needing to know about the way people think, and about their state of mind during various stages of development. ? anyway, i was just wondering what the fuss is all about. you guys take care. peace. darby:)

hello darby! btw: nice name you have there! okay....i'll try to catch you up on things between mr. peeps and myself. what you have entered into is peeps need to debate with someone...anyone...about the need for nurses to take the life span...course. i...a registered nurse who happens to love psych...majored in it in college along with nursing....decided to spend an earthly moment or two with our dear brother peeps talking about his and my opinions on that particular course, and why i liked it so much...and why he didn't. since erikson is the only psychologist whose theories i happen to believe work...i've tried them..they work...so i believe in them...i am mostly sharing erikson with peeps. please don't be alarmed about this. peeps and i come from families that love to debate things...don't we peeps? i don't even know him, but i know a debater when i'm challenged by one...therefore...peeps is making me feel quite at "home" as i'm sure i am doing for him also...which is why i luvvy wuvvy him so much. :kiss

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No, the behaviors of a newborn that are caused by its feelings are what's observable! Babies can actually be diagnosed with behavioral signs of depression at only a few months old. I understand your hatred of Erickson, he wasn't my favorite, but I had to comment on the babies have no real feelings idea, because they do.

You're not disagreeing with me,your disagreeing with Santrock. I took the direct quote out of my psych 101 textbook and even included a citation to that effect.

Depression diagnosed in a newborn?:chuckle

Baby #1:

Well hows it going Bob

Baby Bob:

Not very well #1(how appropriate) I had that stuff that makes my butt sting again and it didn't go away for what seemed like forever and I didn't fell the warm thing against me when I was cold but my day was looking up when I was hungry and it went away when I do that thing with my mouth.

I just don't know if I can take another day like that again #1,I'm considering trying to roll over in my isolette to make it look like sudden infant death syndrome............:sniff:

Baby #1:

This is very seriouse Bob,you should talk to someone about that.

Baby Bob:

This cruel world.............wherever it is..........would be better off without me.

Baby #1:

Here's the name of somebody that understands what you're going through Bob. He tried to end it all with the loose piece of a recalled toy when the feelings of mistrust for his caregiver had built to a point that he no longer could handle them.................we had an intervention just like this one.......we're all here to help you Bob.

Baby Bob:

Hey where did all of you come from? You were'nt here a minute ago!

Baby #1:

Relax Bob,you just gained the motor skills to fix on an object,that's all. Objects will now come and go and you won't have any idea where they are. That will be very frustrating and you have to get some counseling Bob.

I know it's hard to believe because your just a pile of misfiring neurons but some day you'll be an insecure adult if you don't get some help.

I would hug you Bob but I just don't have the motor skills for that.

Baby Bob:

You're right.........absolutely right............I'm really depressed. Maybe it wouldn't hurt to get a referral to a pediatrician and stop seeing my neonatologist.

I've gotta stop blaming my low birth weight for everything. Ok,where's that number?

Baby #1:

It's in your hand Bob.............your slobbering on it.

Baby Bob:

:crying2: Oh gaawd!,I just can't take this any more!

:roll

I want to make it clear that I don't hate Erikson,I think it's a little much to try to apply to any individual,but I don't hate him. I do think that if you are going to teach it as fact,and aparently a gold standard of psych evaluation,then you should be able to examine it intimately with objectivity and prove it.

I think it should be open for discussion for the purpose of enlightenment,not to find out who disagrees with it so you can kick them out!

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:rotfl: :roll :roll :rotfl:

(sorry I couldn't contribute any pearls of wisdom to this thread, but I have been reading it with interest, just FYI )

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Originally posted by Peeps Mcarthur

You're not disagreeing with me,your disagreeing with Santrock. I took the direct quote out of my psych 101 textbook and even included a citation to that effect...........................................

:crying2: Oh gaawd!,I just can't take this any more! :roll

Sleepyeyes..."Oh gaawd! I just can't take this any more either! :rotfl: That boy Peeps is driving me to Erikson for HEEEELLLLPPPP!!! :rotfl:

Peeps...I rest my case against your reasons for debating this course by your first sentence above. You just want to DEBATE...period...end of story...THANKS FOR THE RIDE! It's been swell, brother. :p :chuckle

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Cheerful,

I can't debate with myself so it hasn't really become one.

C'mon,you thought the baby dialouge was cute didn't you? I've tried to interject humor and have a deep discussion. I've not done anything but be completely honest.

And that's how I always will be with you or anyone else so at least there is one thing you can count on.

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The dialogue was cute, but I still say babies have feelings beyond my butt is stinging. All you have to do is assess a baby who has had its physical needs met, but none of its emotional needs met to see it. Having treated a five month old adopted from a Romanian orphanage, believe me on this one. You're idea that deep feelings don't occur in babies comes from where? The fact that they can't tell you they have feelings? Babies do have emotional needs that need to be met and Erickson is just one of the psych guys to put this into a theory.

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How do you know you are observing the end result of feelings?

Couldn't the actions be reflexive instinct as is the case with rooting behavior. If you used that logic for rooting you would mistake it for hunger.

Or is reflex a primitive "feeling"?

Now this is approaching a discussion!

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