Life-Span class is shortening mine.

[Peeps Mcarthur]

I'm just whinning........certainly to a group of intellectuals that can somehow utilize this contradictory load of crap.

I'm certain this will be the only useless part of school, but I just can't get "up" for this.

I've been staring at it since early this morning. I can't see any content when I read it. It's like one of those pictures that you're supposed to look at and kind of let your eyes go out of focus and out pops a spaceship or some other such image that's not apparent by just looking at it. It's as if it's just someone talking about how thier day went or making casual conversation. When it does try to make a point, it only speculates, never settling on one thing, but presenting a range of possibilities.......all possibilities.

So they can never be wrong.....................how convienient.

I'm supposed to be writting a bibliography. I have to read and summarize ten papers.

I have to summarize speculation................beautiful.

Morons.

[Peeps Mcarthur]

Oh my GAWWD!

I just wrote the "mother of all posts" and it said I had too many images and to go back and correct them.

When I hit the back button..............It was gone!!

[Sleepyeyes]

wahhhh!!

when i know i'm gonna write a long one, i put it on ms word and copy it....

[Peeps Mcarthur]

Well,I didn't know that until I was writing it,ya know. After I was in a few paragraphs I just got lost in it.

It had phrases in it like............"The Heavenly Voyuer" and "Cellestial Candid Camera"

A discussion of fetal neuron development and everything!

I need a "Power Nap".......but I will try later.

I promise!!

[live4today, RN]

originally posted by peeps mcarthur

oh my gawwd!

i just wrote the "mother of all posts" and it said i had too many images and to go back and correct them.

when i hit the back button..............it was gone!!

that has happened to me a number of times, too, peeps. sometimes, i would just retype the post...other times i didn't.

good morning sleepyeyes! :)

how are you today? i enjoyed your post on rabbi kushner's book titled "why bad things happen to good people". back in the mid-1980's, the sunday school class i was a part of at that time studied rabbi kushner's book for our sunday school learning material. he did an excellent job of writing that book, and it is well worth the read. (thank you, rabbi kushner, wherever you are today for the inspiration your book planted in my heart.) :kiss

peeps...i hope you'll take the time to check out the website sleepyeyes posted to rabbi kushner's site, and i hope you too will be inspired by what he has to say on the subject of "why bad things happen to good people". for reasons only god knows, you were on my mind the first waking moment this morning, peeps. somehow, i am feeling a spiritual connection with you and a desire to be an encourager and mentor to you if you would like one. feel free to send me a "pm" anytime you feel the need or just want encouragement...or a listening ear...or want to share something...whatever...i am on board for you as your friend and spiritual sister. i hope your upcoming week is filled with peaceful moments and much contentment. :kiss

[OBNURSEHEATHER]

Originally posted by Sleepyeyes

wahhhh!!

when i know i'm gonna write a long one, i put it on ms word and copy it....

Ditto!

Heather

[Peeps Mcarthur]

By Fergus:

You can never prove for a fact that X causes Y, but after research and studies continue to support a hypothesis (not PROVE, because you can never PROVE a hypothesis, right you science lover?) most people eventually come to believe it is true. I mean, maybe cholesterol doesn't contribute to heart attacks, it could just be a coincidence that studies show they do...

That's true,if you know its source. In this case you can't know the source because you can't know what a baby is thinking. It's very popular because practitioners that care for babies have a maternal instinct. It drives them biologicly(as Cheerful pointed out)to try and help babies even when they feel they don't know what's wrong. Since this is the "best" answer so far,and it seems to help them somehow,those maternal types will accept it no matter how unrealistic because the end result is more important to a maternal instinct than the means.

An example:

The baby cries-----you make a goofy face-------baby continues-----you blow a raspberry--------baby continues---------you make a goofy face,blow a raspberry and make the sound of an ape--------Baby stops crying---------Was it the goofy face,the raspberry or the sound of an ape?

You could replay that scenario and produce a repeatable experiment. Without a baseline(why they cry) you will not know how you produced the result(cessation of crying),but when you see the result duplicate itself then you must have stopped whatever process that caused the crying..............unless your babies had gas,hunger pains,bowel movement,temp change or any other variable...........such as reflex. In that case,it stopped whether you blew a raspberry or not.

A coincidence,quite true.

On the subject of God, crackbabies and other unfortunates:

I believe that the Garden must have been a painfuly boring place for the almighty. Imagine an all knowing,all seeing,omnipresent God trying to entertain himself(literary form) interacting with a couple of goody-goodies as the only two people on Earth. He created them after all,so it wasn't anything like watching Survivor now was it?

The Tree was not so much a temptation,but the one ingredient that was needed to really get this party rolling......free will.

From Sleepyeyes post:

"They entered the world of the knowledge of good and evil, a more painful, more complicated world, where they would have to make difficult moral choices." [page 78]"

The Heavenly Voyuer was ready to change the channel.

Free will was a failed experiment that God had to eventually trash(the Great Flood) but he had already created mankind and believed so much that it could work that he did the whole project with Noah's family instead of starting over.

The curse from the original sin must then continue as mankind continues so Badda-boom-Badda-Bing.................crackbabies and Adolph Hitler. The original sin at the Tree must continue to plauge mankind(somehow nurses got the most of that germ line)so God can continue to tune in to Cellestial Candid Camera.

What God tunes in for is moral choice(that puts my show in jeapordy of being cancelled) and "free will" being influenced.

A baby has no free will until its neural connections for "choice" are complete.

This is where I went into some detail yesterday and then it got wiped out so I'll paraphrase

The fetal brain is undeveloped. If the brain was fully developed at birth, cesarean sections would be more widely popular so everything that makes emotion is in the undeveloped brain of a baby but unable to be created in the first place or expressed because of incomplete neural pathways both afferent and efferent.

We could say with that logic that crackbabies do not "feel" abandoned and do not have "free will" just as other babies do not. An emotion cannot be validated where a reflex can be also. It is all the product of an incomplete neurological system that is not said to be intact until age 5 or so.

Fergus wrote:

Hell, Peeps, neglected babies may show signs of depression because little green men from Mars, who are invisible to adults, are making them do it.

And I'm sure a psychologist somewhere is making a life long study of that so they can "ponder" for a living!

But I do know that the brain is undeveloped at birth as a natural way of preserving a females "soft tissue" intact after birth and I also know that emotions that are connected to the enviroment other than the organism itself,must not only come from the primitive brain but be processed correctly from the enviromental insult that was causal.........then I know that I'm probably considering an unlikely origination point for an "emotion".

From Cheerful:

For reasons only God knows, you were on my mind the first waking moment this morning, Peeps. Somehow, I am feeling a spiritual connection with you and a desire to be an encourager and mentor to you if you would like one.

That is very sweet of you:kiss Just know that if I need advice it can't be about nursing because you kicked me out of it a couple of posts ago:o

Did you just send me another acceptance letter? I haven't recieved it yet.

Smile! Your on Cellestial Candid Camera!

[Peeps Mcarthur]

Not as good as the original...............................but what is?

It is saved in Word.

Thanks

[Peeps Mcarthur]

Lurker>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heather.

[live4today, RN]

Originally posted by Peeps Mcarthur

.........................From Cheerful:

That is very sweet of you. :kiss Just know that if I need advice it can't be about nursing because you kicked me out of it a couple of posts ago.

Did you just send me another acceptance letter? I haven't recieved it yet. ................

Ohhhhhhh Peeps! What on Earth will your siblings here at Allnurses do with you??? :chuckle Did you give your parents this much grief while growing up???

Only YOU can make or break your goal of becoming a fine nurse one day, but FIRST you've got to get through that dang course called LIFE SPAN AND HUMAN DEVELOPMENT! Are you up to the challenge of doing that???

[Peeps Mcarthur]

I could probably get a "C" in any class that was ever invented to torment those that would pay the class fees.......................just the thought of a "C" makes me ill.

To obtain a higher grade I would have to be motivated by something about the material,but I'm having a difficult time just believing it, let alone,wanting to understand a more deeper meaning other that rote memorization.

I will pass.

but to me that will be a fail.

Are nursing classes like this?

[Sleepyeyes]

No, but the instructors are... :rotfl:

[live4today, RN]

Peeps...if you were a wife and a mother...you wouldn't be balking so much about having to undergo life altering changes just to get through a nursing course that you have no motivation for learning. Why do I say this? Because...we women....wives and mothers especially...eat a lot of shicky-poo during the course of our sometimes not too motivated or exciting lives. It's the SHICKY-POO in life that tends to make one stronger...and a better human being. Do not be afraid of storms for it is through those storms that come our way that we learn to sail our own ship...meaning...staying on course in our life no matter what SHICKY-POO gets in our way. So.....dig yourself in deeper than that shicky-poo that you are allowing to control your thought processes, and get on with the program. Surprise your Instructor and classmates by Acing that course in spite of the fact you will dread every minute of it. Why??? Because...NURSING AND LIFE ARE NOT ALL A BED OF ROSES...neither is the process of trying to get through it! :kiss

When I was orienting to SICU a few years back...eight to be exact...:chuckle...the person orienting me to the monitors told me "Not to let the monkey bite me...don't fear a machine...think of it as something that I am smart enough to control to my advantage as a nurse." That tiny piece of great advice helped me to adapt to the ICU environment which is filled with one machine and piece of equipment after another...it also helped me to quickly realize that ANY ICU unit was NOT my forte...so out of there I flew. :rotfl: So, Peeps, I say to you in regards to that Life Span course you are having a hard time stomaching long enough to get that "A" you crave? "Don't let the monkey bite you. Think of it as something that you are smart enough to control to your advantage as a 'Nurse Wannabe'. :kiss