IUD Pregnancies

allnurses Guide · Aug 10, 2007

So I just spoke with my Andrologist at my infertility center (has a masters degree in sperm), and she said that she did some research on the IUD.
She also confirmed that it's main way to prevent pregnancy is to prevent implantation. That the effects on cervical mucus and motiliy are minor.
The drs that say they "don't know" how it works are telling people that so that there is some illusion of it working in other ways. But, since when are we allowing things into our bodies were doctors don't know how they work??

I agree with you . .some docs "fudge" the controversial issues.

steph

Elvish, BSN, DNP, RN, NP · Aug 10, 2007

I Sooooooo don't believe that!
We can use that same logic about all babies then? What about crack babies born to prostitues, or into abusive families where they are starved and beaten? Were they just simple 'meant to be'? Or what about babies who are late term abortions? Were they not meant to be?
I know it's OT, but I just don't buy the whole "if God wanted it to be it would be" line. It's crap.

But those lives still matter, and that is what "meant to be" means to me.

In my experience with parents 'surprise' babies -- surprises to us, not to God -- they are ok with having their babies because they know they were trying NOT to have a baby. And if, in spite of their trying not to, they conceive, then they must be meant to be parents again. Their words, not mine. I know you could probaby argue the converse -- that people who can't conceive despite efforts are NOT meant to do so. I really don't know about that. I know it's a painful subject for you, Cardiac, so I understand what you are saying. But I do believe that things -- everything -- happens for a reason, even if I don't know what that reason is at the moment.

Back to IUD pregnancies.....

justme1972 · Aug 10, 2007

I Sooooooo don't believe that!
We can use that same logic about all babies then? What about crack babies born to prostitues, or into abusive families where they are starved and beaten? Were they just simple 'meant to be'? Or what about babies who are late term abortions? Were they not meant to be?
I know it's OT, but I just don't buy the whole "if God wanted it to be it would be" line. It's crap.

Oh come on!...surely you understand the spirit in which that comment was made.

allnurses Guide · Aug 10, 2007

I'm ashamed to admit that at one point in our mutual nervous breakdowns over being pregnant in our 40's, I rudely corrected someone who said "God must have wanted you pregnant". I said, "No, dh and I screwed up with our birth control method - this has nothing to do with God". :chair: Poor girl . . . . I cringe when I hear myself . . . .

We were really scared. Our kids were teens. We were old. (I was 42 and he was 46-sounds young now;)).

Looking back, I can see that this baby was used by God to bring my family together. We had begun to splinter . . . .I think things would have been worse for all of us if our little guy had not been born.

steph

cardiacRN2006, ADN, RN · Aug 10, 2007

Oh come on!...surely you understand the spirit in which that comment was made.

I do. That's why I made the comment I made.

But those lives still matter, and that is what "meant to be" means to me.

So, then the lives of babies lost to IUDs or abortions don't matter?

fergus51 · Aug 10, 2007

I agree with you . .some docs "fudge" the controversial issues.
steph

I think they especially tend to do that with the generally accepted practices like using the pill. Most people don't consider it abortion, but for people who believe preventing implantation as abortion, the pill is iffy. I would hate for them to be tricked into using something like that and regret it later.

Elvish, BSN, DNP, RN, NP · Aug 11, 2007

So, then the lives of babies lost to IUDs or abortions don't matter?

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying those lives matter too, and there are some things that you and I don't understand and might never understand. Every life -- aborted, miscarried, or delivered -- matters. Meant to be -- or meant not to be -- either way, it matters.

cardiacRN2006, ADN, RN · Aug 11, 2007

I agree totally. I agree that all life is precious.

But I don't agree that you can indiscrimantly use birth control knowing how it works (or refusing to know how it works) and then say, "if God wanted it to be, then it would be."

I just don't buy that punch line.

Elvish, BSN, DNP, RN, NP · Aug 11, 2007

I see your point. And I don't agree with doing anything to your body -- birth control, surgery, an epidural for labor, whatever it is -- without knowing what it is and how it works, what the possible good AND bad effects are. I agree with you on that. People do all sorts of things to their bodies without knowing what they're doing, which is never a good thing, IMHO.

Birth control is a tricky subject. I understand people's moral objections to some of the methods out there. That's also part of why I don't have an IUD, besides thing I have about foreign objects in my body. But do you use birth control, or do you have a baby every year that you are less and less able to support with each new one that's born? Some people can't or won't use condoms, some people aren't good candidates for the pill/patch, and rhythym is nice but produces LOTS of babies. So what do you do???

I just feel that were I to get pregnant now, I would have to know that someone higher than me saw fit for me to be pregnant, because I am taking measures to prevent it. And I would have to be at peace with it. That's just me.

HopefulMichelle · Aug 13, 2007

I think we have to be careful of judging people's choices. I agree with whomever said that those people who go through IVF would not be considered pregnant until the baby implanted and grew. I feel the same way. People are going to feel differently about things based one their beliefs about these very things. I guess I would naturally feel defensive since I have an IUD. I just don't feel that I am having an abortion. Plus I know that people say that they have "proven" that the IUD works by preventing implantation but how do we know it is the IUD that is preventing it or if it would have not implanted despite the IUD. There really is no way to know for sure. Like I said...I have had a pregnancy that implanted briefly but then miscarried and I did not have an IUD at that time. Also keep in mind that the original post was about pregnancies implanting with the IUD in place so obviously it doesn't always prevent implantation.

Michelle

Devie06 · Jun 2, 2011

That is why I never used it either.
Actually, speaking of that other thread about withdrawal (a bad birth control method btw) I used Natural Family Planning way back in the 1970's . . . late 1970's;) It worked very well for me but you have to be dedicated to paying attention.
I didn't like bcp's either . . . .didn't like the idea of putting "chemicals" in my body.
I have 4 children - only one was NOT a surprise. :balloons:
I think it depends on where the IUD is implanted whether it is removed or not when you get preggers.
As I mentioned, I've had two women deliver . . .and after the placenta came out the doc had to go in and get the IUD.
steph

Lol, if only one was NOT a surprise I would say NFP did not work well....

Devie06 · Jun 2, 2011

My 2 cents on iuds aborting babies and God giving babies is this...God gave us free will and a good understanding of how reproduction works. I dont feel he picks the number of kids we have, he lets us choose. He expects us to be responsible for ourselves. I know my husband and I can simply not afford another child right now. In my opinion, I have the IUD to prevent pregnancy until we are in a better spot. I could not give another child the life he or she deserves until I finishh school and get a job. I also want to enjoy my daughter to the fullest. If I become pregnant with Paragard, I will have it removed and continue on with the pregnancy. But for now I am trying to prevent.