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Is there any CRNA schools that did not fill all of there seats last year, or is there a site that you can see this kind of information?

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I wish I could help you out, but I cannot imagine any school having a vacancy. That being said, if you are fully prepared get your app in early. I am enrolled at TCU and have truly enjoyed the first week and think all the teachers are extremely helpful. The staff are always there when you need something. So my spill is this would be a good school to apply at. GC

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Is there any CRNA schools that did not fill all of there seats last year, or is there a site that you can see this kind of information?

There is no such thing I can assure you

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The US Army Graduate Program in Anesthesia Nursing had vacant seats. Do a search of the forum and you will find info I posted earlier and much discussion about it.

Mike

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i have only posted here a couple of times but i have a few things to share that may help some of you out. first off i am not a recruiter. okay, now that i have that one out of the way, let's get down to business. please take the time to read all of this, ignore my sometimes tough, maybe even arrogant and condascending tone because i'm actually a nice guy and don't mean to offend anyone. if i do, then i apologize in advance and don't mean to be that way but it's how it comes out sometimes folks. please have an open mind for all of you who are still applying to school or having troubles as there is still time to take advantage of this diamond in the rough that i am about to share with you. trust me you will learn something with what i am about to say.

i second what mike had to say about the army program. the army this year had 34 applicants for the 50 seats available (been like thise for years people). i was one of those who applied this year. the official selection board does not convene until the 12th of sep but i can assure you that all of us who applied and meet the qualification criteria will be selected for the class of june 2006. this is according to those who are closet to the program and have the inside info. i'm sure that mike will back me up on this one.

i am currently in the navy and will be switching to the army to go to school. after finding out about the army's program on my own i solicited advice from those who are intimate with the army's program. i had a loooong telephone conversation with mike about the good and the bad of the army's program. imo the only bad thing (according to some but not me) about the army's program is the obvious: possibly being deployed somewhere you may not like during conflict or time of war. however, keep this in mind when there are no conflicts or wars going on chances are pretty slim to none that you will be deployed. i know that the army's program is the best kept secret of all of the anesthesia programs out there. how can i make such a profound statement you may ask? well, here are the facts:

1. you get paid to go to school vs. paying to go to school. me personally i will make 75,000 my first year while in school and the pay will increase every year thereafter due to increases in rank and congresss mandated annual pay raises. i will also have 1st rate healthcare for me and my family at no cost. 30 month program means that on the low end i will walk away having made 187,500.00 to go to school. also, i will have no debt as the army pays for school. while some folks will be eating pbj and oodle noodles:o, i'll be eating surf and turf :chuckle . hell, i just finished the plans on my custom home that i'll be living in while in school. no living in some small apartment, penny pinching, backing up on my standard of living and worrying about money here folks.

2. some of you will have to shell out a ton of money just to move to other parts of the country just to go to school. it would cost about 10,000.00 for me to move from where i live to go to school in texas where the army's program is located. however, i will not have to pay on red cent to move cause the army is gonna foot the bill to move me. heck, i will actually get about 2,500.00 to move. in the military when you move from one place to the next you get what's called a dislocation allowance.

3. autonomy is second to none in the military as a crna. i can guarantee you that you will be very hard pressed to find a situation that offers more independence as a crna than in the military. yes, they do exist on the outside but that is not the everyday norm. in the military you are trained and expected to be independent from day one. some programs out there aren't really traing people to function as an independent provider from the start of class. some are forced to learn this on their own after graduation. in the military's eyes not being able to function each and every day on your own is counter productive to the mission and needs of the military.

4. the quality of education that you will receive is truly top notch. i know that many of you will say that your program is the best and yes i will proudly admit there are some incredible programs out there but here is one fact that very few of you folks know about. not many schools have human simulators. well, guess what, the army is the beta (experimental) test site for the company that manufactures the simulators that is in each of the schools across the nation be it crna or mda programs. that's gotta say something to those of you reading this. heck, the army even has a simulator dedicated for the purpose regional training. also, i will be issued a laptop that i plug into network everyday that i am in class with my notes pre-downloded on it. how many schools can boast that?

5. the amount of support that you will get to help you succeed and be the best that you can will not be matched anywhere else. why? here it is simply put: the professors (civilian and military) at the army's program have a much more serious and important goal than any other program in the nation. to train independent functioning crna's who are the best of the best to provide anesthesia to soliders, sailors and marines who, without reservation, volunteer to put their lives on the line in parts of the world that most of you have never been to and never will ever hear of to defend the freedoms that we all enjoy and take for granted

now in return for all of these great things that i have discussed and will receive i have to work for 4.5 years as a payback. but i don't mind cause i gotta work somewhere anyway after school. in my eyes i figure for what i'm getting it's such a small price to pay. this one thing in itself that makes the whole deal worth it for me. at the time i start school i will only have one year of icu experience under my belt. now some but most of the schools won't even entertain my application. not that i am above any one or better than the next person but some of you will still be putting in your 3+ years of cleaning poo, dealing with gi bleeds, doing things that you don't want to do and god knows what else just to make yourself competitive for a school that you may not even get into :banghead:. not me folks. i will have graduated and be practicing while some of you will be still putting in apps and doing your time doing things to "get in good" and make yourself "look favorable in the eyes" of certain schools . ask your self this is your time not worth something? you will never get those years back spent doing things you really don't want to do. cause lets face it, if you really wanted to be doing all that ridiculous stuff then you would not be trying to become a crna. sneer at me if you want but who really wins in this situation. there is an old saying: take the path of least resistance and that is exactly what i am doing. i encourage those who are trying to get into school to do the same.

so why does a program that has all that going for it have unfilled seats? because people are uninformed, misinformed and afraid to try something different. and some folks just plain want something for nothing. pm me, heck i'm sure mike won't mind you quizzing him up a bit either, if you want to find out more and are ready to make a move that you will never forget or regret instead of being made to jump through all those ridiculous rings of fire that many of the other crna programs will subject you to. thanks for taking the time to read this.:chuckle

"if there is no struggle, there is no progress.the struggle may be a moral one or it may be a physical one, or it may both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. power concedes nothing without a demand. it never has and it never will. find out just what a people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both." source: frederick douglass

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you know its funny we just had a army recruiter come and talk to us this week in school and he said nothing about a 75000 year stipends he did say we could get 1200 a month and possibly 1500 a month while in school. gc

i have only posted here a couple of times but i have a few things to share that may help some of you out. first off i am not a recruiter. okay, now that i have that one out of the way, let's get down to business. please take the time to read all of this, ignore my sometimes tough, maybe even arrogant and condascending tone because i'm actually a nice guy and don't mean to offend anyone. if i do, then i apologize in advance and don't mean to be that way but it's how it comes out sometimes folks. please have an open mind for all of you who are still applying to school or having troubles as there is still time to take advantage of this diamond in the rough that i am about to share with you. trust me you will learn something with what i am about to say.

i second what mike had to say about the army program. the army this year had 34 applicants for the 50 seats available (been like thise for years people). i was one of those who applied this year. the official selection board does not convene until the 12th of sep but i can assure you that all of us who applied and meet the qualification criteria will be selected for the class of june 2006. this is according to those who are closet to the program and have the inside info. i'm sure that mike will back me up on this one.

i am currently in the navy and will be switching to the army to go to school. after finding out about the army's program on my own i solicited advice from those who are intimate with the army's program. i had a loooong telephone conversation with mike about the good and the bad of the army's program. imo the only bad thing (according to some but not me) about the army's program is the obvious: possibly being deployed somewhere you may not like during conflict or time of war. however, keep this in mind when there are no conflicts or wars going on chances are pretty slim to none that you will be deployed. i know that the army's program is the best kept secret of all of the anesthesia programs out there. how can i make such a profound statement you may ask? well, here are the facts:

1. you get paid to go to school vs. paying to go to school. me personally i will make 75,000 my first year while in school and the pay will increase every year thereafter due to increases in rank and congresss mandated annual pay raises. i will also have 1st rate healthcare for me and my family at no cost. 30 month program means that on the low end i will walk away having made 187,500.00 to go to school. also, i will have no debt as the army pays for school. while some folks will be eating pbj and oodle noodles:o, i'll be eating surf and turf :chuckle . hell, i just finished the plans on my custom home that i'll be living in while in school. no living in some small apartment, penny pinching, backing up on my standard of living and worrying about money here folks.

2. some of you will have to shell out a ton of money just to move to other parts of the country just to go to school. it would cost about 10,000.00 for me to move from where i live to go to school in texas where the army's program is located. however, i will not have to pay on red cent to move cause the army is gonna foot the bill to move me. heck, i will actually get about 2,500.00 to move. in the military when you move from one place to the next you get what's called a dislocation allowance.

3. autonomy is second to none in the military as a crna. i can guarantee you that you will be very hard pressed to find a situation that offers more independence as a crna than in the military. yes, they do exist on the outside but that is not the everyday norm. in the military you are trained and expected to be independent from day one. some programs out there aren't really traing people to function as an independent provider from the start of class. some are forced to learn this on their own after graduation. in the military's eyes not being able to function each and every day on your own is counter productive to the mission and needs of the military.

4. the quality of education that you will receive is truly top notch. i know that many of you will say that your program is the best and yes i will proudly admit there are some incredible programs out there but here is one fact that very few of you folks know about. not many schools have human simulators. well, guess what, the army is the beta (experimental) test site for the company that manufactures the simulators that is in each of the schools across the nation be it crna or mda programs. that's gotta say something to those of you reading this. heck, the army even has a simulator dedicated for the purpose regional training. also, i will be issued a laptop that i plug into network everyday that i am in class with my notes pre-downloded on it. how many schools can boast that?

5. the amount of support that you will get to help you succeed and be the best that you can will not be matched anywhere else. why? here it is simply put: the professors (civilian and military) at the army's program have a much more serious and important goal than any other program in the nation. to train independent functioning crna's who are the best of the best to provide anesthesia to soliders, sailors and marines who, without reservation, volunteer to put their lives on the line in parts of the world that most of you have never been to and never will ever hear of to defend the freedoms that we all enjoy and take for granted

now in return for all of these great things that i have discussed and will receive i have to work for 4.5 years as a payback. but i don't mind cause i gotta work somewhere anyway after school. in my eyes i figure for what i'm getting it's such a small price to pay. this one thing in itself that makes the whole deal worth it for me. at the time i start school i will only have one year of icu experience under my belt. now some but most of the schools won't even entertain my application. not that i am above any one or better than the next person but some of you will still be putting in your 3+ years of cleaning poo, dealing with gi bleeds, doing things that you don't want to do and god knows what else just to make yourself competitive for a school that you may not even get into :banghead:. not me folks. i will have graduated and be practicing while some of you will be still putting in apps and doing your time doing things to "get in good" and make yourself "look favorable in the eyes" of certain schools . ask your self this is your time not worth something? you will never get those years back spent doing things you really don't want to do. cause lets face it, if you really wanted to be doing all that ridiculous stuff then you would not be trying to become a crna. sneer at me if you want but who really wins in this situation. there is an old saying: take the path of least resistance and that is exactly what i am doing. i encourage those who are trying to get into school to do the same.

so why does a program that has all that going for it have unfilled seats? because people are uninformed, misinformed and afraid to try something different. and some folks just plain want something for nothing. pm me, heck i'm sure mike won't mind you quizzing him up a bit either, if you want to find out more and are ready to make a move that you will never forget or regret instead of being made to jump through all those ridiculous rings of fire that many of the other crna programs will subject you to. thanks for taking the time to read this.:chuckle

"if there is no struggle, there is no progress.the struggle may be a moral one or it may be a physical one, or it may both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. power concedes nothing without a demand. it never has and it never will. find out just what a people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both." source: frederick douglass

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you know its funny we just had a army recruiter come and talk to us this week in school and he said nothing about a 75000 year stipends he did say we could get 1200 a month and possibly 1500 a month while in school. gc

that's because he was telling you about the reserve program. i'm speaking of the program that you would be on active duty with the army while going to school. does him no good to get you to come onto active duty and go to the army's school when you are already in one. who honestly would do that? i would not. pm me for exact details about the reserve program cause that's a great option for people already in civilian schools.

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Not trying to be incendiary here, as I come from a military background myself and would be in the military now if it weren't for a medical disqualification. But, I notice that you didn't mention the attrition rate. I just returned from the AANA meeting, where I met a student from one of the Armed Services programs who told me that their attrition rate is close to 50%! Even worse, they just cut a student 3 months away from graduation.

That's tough odds, man.

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the army has always had a reactionary and short-sighted recruitment policy. The yearly incentive bonus is just laughable especially when juxtaposed to the current civilian CRNA salary. Current events and mobilization tempo demand a more reasonable compensation package. If you want high quality personnel to re-op, you have to be willing to pay. I think it's a dam shame that the army CRNA program cannot fill its slots. I know for a fact it is one of the best programs in the country.

I can foresee the Army contracting medical services out in the future....like it does with other sorely needed specialties it can no longer maintain. It wouldn't surprise one bit to see haliburton like companies offering $300,000 for civilian CRNAs to go to Iraq or Afghanistan to pass gas.

alright...i'm off my soap box.

randy, CRNA, USAR

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Not trying to be incendiary here, as I come from a military background myself and would be in the military now if it weren't for a medical disqualification. But, I notice that you didn't mention the attrition rate. I just returned from the AANA meeting, where I met a student from one of the Armed Services programs who told me that their attrition rate is close to 50%! Even worse, they just cut a student 3 months away from graduation.

That's tough odds, man.

I would love to know what branch of service the student was from and who the student was that gave you this 50% value. I bet he/she won't say someting like that and reveal their identity for all to know. As that person would have a lot of explaining to do to a bunch of folks. I can assure you that the Army does not have a 50% rate of attrition. Hell, I'm in the Navy now and I know that the Navy does not even have this high of an attrition rate. The Army loses 1-3 students per year from an average class size of 30. I am in constant contact with the director of the program along with gradutates and current students of the program and they have never reported such numbers. If anything the graduates and current students rave about the support that is given to you to make sure that you graduate the program. As far as the person who was cut with 3 months left, I know of a person from class this year who just could not cut the grades even after being allowed to repeat the program for a second time and thus was dismissed from the program. I also know of a person who was dismissed from the program with about three months left to graduate a few years ago for integrity issues. Mike can back me up on this one, as the person who is of topic was a member of Mike's class. Like I said in my first reply....."some people are uninformed, others are misinformed and some are a combination of the two." Sorry, but you are misinformed this time around.

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I would love to know what branch of service the student was from and who the student was that gave you this 50% value. I bet he/she won't say someting like that and reveal their identity for all to know. As that person would have a lot of explaining to do to a bunch of folks. I can assure you that the Army does not have a 50% rate of attrition. Hell, I'm in the Navy now and I know that the Navy does not even have this high of an attrition rate. The Army loses 1-3 students per year from an average class size of 30. I am in constant contact with the director of the program along with gradutates and current students of the program and they have never reported such numbers. If anything the graduates and current students rave about the support that is given to you to make sure that you graduate the program. As far as the person who was cut with 3 months left, I know of a person from class this year who just could not cut the grades even after being allowed to repeat the program for a second time and thus was dismissed from the program. I also know of a person who was dismissed from the program with about three months left to graduate a few years ago for integrity issues. Mike can back me up on this one, as the person who is of topic was a member of Mike's class. Like I said in my first reply....."some people are uninformed, others are misinformed and some are a combination of the two." Sorry, but you are misinformed this time around.

Ok. I have a unique view of the program because I am currently in it!! I am a civilian in the program going through the VA/Army sharing program. I am able to have the army training perspective and the Civilian perspective as well. If you want to get into a CRNA program right now I would head the Army's way. They need students and it is not hard to get in if you meet qualifications. As far as the attrition rate, it varies. Our class has lost 5 out of I think 48 so far and 3 of those were because of academic performance in the didactic phase while 2 had personal issues that took priority. The previous class had a much higher rate. Here's the deal for phase I- if the staff sees that you are trying your best they will do what they can to facilitate your learning process. If you come in with a positive attitude and a desire to succeed, you can get through that part. As far as Phase II-I have been at a VA site, but I start my first day at an Army hospital Monday. Wish me luck! I believe that the Army does expect more out of their students than most programs, I can see that when I interact with students from other programs. But being trained by the Army, you can feel safe in the fact that at 2am in that rural hospital with the crash C-section with the impossible airway, you will be able to pull it off without calling for help. You will be able to function alone without any difficulty. You just have to pay your dues before you get there. Again I cannot speak for the Army portion of phase II but give me a week and I'll try to answer any questions you have. Oh, and you can always go the VA route and train with the Army, Public Health also trains at a military institution. Good luck everyone!

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excellent post. i concur with all statements made in this post. i have researched this information myself and had conversations with crnas that completed the program as well as students currently in the program. this is a top rate program that qualified(research the req's http://www.dns.amedd.army.mil/crna/) applicants should not overlook. the training and experience you recieve is hard pressed to be matched. i look forward to the results of the selection board to be held next month. :D

i have only posted here a couple of times but i have a few things to share that may help some of you out. first off i am not a recruiter. okay, now that i have that one out of the way, let's get down to business. please take the time to read all of this, ignore my sometimes tough, maybe even arrogant and condascending tone because i'm actually a nice guy and don't mean to offend anyone. if i do, then i apologize in advance and don't mean to be that way but it's how it comes out sometimes folks. please have an open mind for all of you who are still applying to school or having troubles as there is still time to take advantage of this diamond in the rough that i am about to share with you. trust me you will learn something with what i am about to say.

i second what mike had to say about the army program. the army this year had 34 applicants for the 50 seats available (been like thise for years people). i was one of those who applied this year. the official selection board does not convene until the 12th of sep but i can assure you that all of us who applied and meet the qualification criteria will be selected for the class of june 2006. this is according to those who are closet to the program and have the inside info. i'm sure that mike will back me up on this one.

i am currently in the navy and will be switching to the army to go to school. after finding out about the army's program on my own i solicited advice from those who are intimate with the army's program. i had a loooong telephone conversation with mike about the good and the bad of the army's program. imo the only bad thing (according to some but not me) about the army's program is the obvious: possibly being deployed somewhere you may not like during conflict or time of war. however, keep this in mind when there are no conflicts or wars going on chances are pretty slim to none that you will be deployed. i know that the army's program is the best kept secret of all of the anesthesia programs out there. how can i make such a profound statement you may ask? well, here are the facts:

1. you get paid to go to school vs. paying to go to school. me personally i will make 75,000 my first year while in school and the pay will increase every year thereafter due to increases in rank and congresss mandated annual pay raises. i will also have 1st rate healthcare for me and my family at no cost. 30 month program means that on the low end i will walk away having made 187,500.00 to go to school. also, i will have no debt as the army pays for school. while some folks will be eating pbj and oodle noodles:o, i'll be eating surf and turf :chuckle . hell, i just finished the plans on my custom home that i'll be living in while in school. no living in some small apartment, penny pinching, backing up on my standard of living and worrying about money here folks.

2. some of you will have to shell out a ton of money just to move to other parts of the country just to go to school. it would cost about 10,000.00 for me to move from where i live to go to school in texas where the army's program is located. however, i will not have to pay on red cent to move cause the army is gonna foot the bill to move me. heck, i will actually get about 2,500.00 to move. in the military when you move from one place to the next you get what's called a dislocation allowance.

3. autonomy is second to none in the military as a crna. i can guarantee you that you will be very hard pressed to find a situation that offers more independence as a crna than in the military. yes, they do exist on the outside but that is not the everyday norm. in the military you are trained and expected to be independent from day one. some programs out there aren't really traing people to function as an independent provider from the start of class. some are forced to learn this on their own after graduation. in the military's eyes not being able to function each and every day on your own is counter productive to the mission and needs of the military.

4. the quality of education that you will receive is truly top notch. i know that many of you will say that your program is the best and yes i will proudly admit there are some incredible programs out there but here is one fact that very few of you folks know about. not many schools have human simulators. well, guess what, the army is the beta (experimental) test site for the company that manufactures the simulators that is in each of the schools across the nation be it crna or mda programs. that's gotta say something to those of you reading this. heck, the army even has a simulator dedicated for the purpose regional training. also, i will be issued a laptop that i plug into network everyday that i am in class with my notes pre-downloded on it. how many schools can boast that?

5. the amount of support that you will get to help you succeed and be the best that you can will not be matched anywhere else. why? here it is simply put: the professors (civilian and military) at the army's program have a much more serious and important goal than any other program in the nation. to train independent functioning crna's who are the best of the best to provide anesthesia to soliders, sailors and marines who, without reservation, volunteer to put their lives on the line in parts of the world that most of you have never been to and never will ever hear of to defend the freedoms that we all enjoy and take for granted

now in return for all of these great things that i have discussed and will receive i have to work for 4.5 years as a payback. but i don't mind cause i gotta work somewhere anyway after school. in my eyes i figure for what i'm getting it's such a small price to pay. this one thing in itself that makes the whole deal worth it for me. at the time i start school i will only have one year of icu experience under my belt. now some but most of the schools won't even entertain my application. not that i am above any one or better than the next person but some of you will still be putting in your 3+ years of cleaning poo, dealing with gi bleeds, doing things that you don't want to do and god knows what else just to make yourself competitive for a school that you may not even get into :banghead:. not me folks. i will have graduated and be practicing while some of you will be still putting in apps and doing your time doing things to "get in good" and make yourself "look favorable in the eyes" of certain schools . ask your self this is your time not worth something? you will never get those years back spent doing things you really don't want to do. cause lets face it, if you really wanted to be doing all that ridiculous stuff then you would not be trying to become a crna. sneer at me if you want but who really wins in this situation. there is an old saying: take the path of least resistance and that is exactly what i am doing. i encourage those who are trying to get into school to do the same.

so why does a program that has all that going for it have unfilled seats? because people are uninformed, misinformed and afraid to try something different. and some folks just plain want something for nothing. pm me, heck i'm sure mike won't mind you quizzing him up a bit either, if you want to find out more and are ready to make a move that you will never forget or regret instead of being made to jump through all those ridiculous rings of fire that many of the other crna programs will subject you to. thanks for taking the time to read this.:chuckle

"if there is no struggle, there is no progress.the struggle may be a moral one or it may be a physical one, or it may both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. power concedes nothing without a demand. it never has and it never will. find out just what a people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both." source: frederick douglass

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