Docs as nurses? - page 2
Hi guys... Would like to know your honest opinion, on the present trend of MDs shifting to be nurses, and going overseas to become nightingales.By now, most of us in the Philippines are aware of this... Read More
Feb 6, '06Quote from eznalWell, you have to be secure with yourself 1st to be happy.hi lawrence! You're one of those happy people!:spin:
A lot of Filipino RNs are insecure on 2nd coursers, esp. on MD-RNs.
I believe this is the root of all the problems and why they frown on them.
It shouldn't be though. If these 2nd coursers can shift to nursing from being what they were (MDs, lawyers, etc.) it is because they don't have insecurities (incl. gender since nursing is still predominantly female).
If Fil. RNs are insecure on Fil. 2nd coursers now.. what more if they will be in the U.S. The Americans will not give a d***n what you were in the Phils.
whether you were the chief nurse, head nurse, MD, politician, lawyer, nursing/medical director of a hospital in the Phils., if you're gonna work there as a RN then you are gonna work as a RN and nothing else and everyone will start from the bottom (RN I/II). It's a big world out there.
So, everyone should just be happy and mind their own lives. Everyone can do whatever they want as long it's legal.
Feb 7, '06Very well said, lawrence. Hope to get to know more people like you.
Our nursing staff were very helpful when I told them I was planning to take up Nursing. In fact they were the ones who taught me how to go about making NCP. The chief nurse was happiest of all, giving me encouragement all the way. Guess the very secure ones are those who really appreciate that their profession is now the most in demand.
Feb 7, '06Quote from DutchgirlRN-------I have never heard of this. Years ago we had a nurses appreciation day and the docs all agreed to be nurses for an hour. What a joke, they could not do anything. One doc came to me, said follow me, we went into a room and he pointed "look", there was BM everywhere from the bed to the bathroom. He said "I think my hour is up" and promptly disappeared 45 mintues before quitting time. Later he said to me "I have a whole new appreciation for you, I knew you were smart and I respect you but gees you have a very hard job!" I think we should have such a day at least once a year. How many times do they turn on the call light "please come fix this beeping". Yes sir, I'm on my way.
strange as it is, you've got to believe it is happening in the philippines...you may be working with one now. some five years ago, it sounds crazy. but now, if your revered profession won't feed the family, nobody's gonna give a hoot if you decide to take up nursing and find a job in the us as one. it's a decent job. that's all that counts.
Feb 7, '06Yap, that is correct. There are a lot who are very supportive because they know the situation and they themselves want to go abroad or have relatives who wants to, somehave been there and came back. They know what's driving the the people.
It's unfortunate that some aren't so supportive. There are also some instances that staffs on the same dept. go out on their own as individuals or small grps of 2-3 and they go on seperate ways w/o letting the other grps letting know of any new info. or what they are doing as if they were competing among themselves. Very sad. They are friends when they're off and on duty but they go seperate ways when it comes to applying, instead of banding together where it will be much faster and safer.
Feb 7, '06When I managed an internal medicine practice in San Francisco I once hired a former filipino MD to be a medical assistant. Unfortuately, it didn't work out.Last edit by NancyNancy on Feb 7, '06
Feb 7, '06Quote from NancyNancy-----When I managed an internal medicine practice in San Francisco I once hired a former filipino MD to be a medical assistant. Unfortuately, it didn't work out.
so sorry to hear that. i hope your experience is an exception rather than the rule. i know that before being conferred the title "MD", students go through four years pre-med studies, four years medicine proper, take the board exams then enlist for residency training prior to specializing. that's more than 10 years of rigorous training. i strongly feel there's something amiss about that person's claim of being licensed physician....
Feb 24, '06Hi! i'm new to this post and would like to extend my warmest regards to all :angel2:
.. I don't know where to put this and this was the closest topic I could find soory ... anyway, I have this problem, i'm currently a medical intern, nursing was my pre-med. I'm also a registered nurse and have passed the CGFNS and IELTS.. I'm planning to apply to an agency to work in the states as a nurse.. however, there's a 1-2 year/s experience requirement for most of them (which I have none).. I went to med school immediately after nursing school ...
Could anyone please help me if you know an agency which doesn't require work experience ..
What should I do? hellpp
Feb 28, '06Hi all,
I've been reading this discussion with interest--I am a graduate student in health policy and administration, and am hoping to do my dissertation research on health care work force migration. I'm especially interested in the 2nd-course phenomenon--do any of you have suggestions for how I could make contacts with nursing medics living in the US? (Either for qualitative interviews or a survey if I can find enough people.) I'd be most grateful for your suggestions.
Mar 2, '06Md's a to RN's? we had classmates who are doctors and they were very helpful in explaining to us stuff that were not well explained by our teachers..also, their attitudes towards us nurses seem to have mellowed...Now that they have become nurses, they are less critical and less domineering
Apr 1, '06GEE! I like this forum...people here got the wisdom and are broadminded!--- Honestly, i'm also a second courser - and i decided to take it out of LOVE --and when one's decision is based on love--then there's not much to explain about:spin: ...cause if someone knows LOVE, COMPASSION and HUMILITY---whatever his previous profession is---whether he's an MD, DMD, ATTY, PHD back in one's country---he can be a perfect nurse!:angel2: - such virtues are very important in a caring profession,,,,, GOD BLESS!!!
Jun 8, '06I really appreciate the input you make here on the net, Lawrence and I've started telling my nurse students (they already are nurses but reviewing for one of the many qualification tests needed) to check out info here. Valuable info indeed.
Quote from lawrence01I think what delays the 1st coursers are the very same persons who are giving the 2nd coursers the bad rap by willing or unwillingly mis-informing them. How? Some examples would be informing them that they need another 1-2 years training or work experience here in the Phils. before they even think of applying for anything. Another would be to inform them to do first the CGFNS exam (that's why there are still LOTS who are doing it, eventhough its really being phased out as a req't for majority of states). Hospitals are in these too (some willingly and some unwillingly). Some in conivance with the affiliate school to provide new grads for "training" for measly "allowances" while some give "training" for a big fee. There are more "rackets" to take advantage of the RNs here and mostly those who fall for these traps are the 1st coursers and the one who gets the bad rap are the 2nd coursers. The only reason why 2nd coursers are relatively faster because they don't easily fall to this traps and immediately apply to where ever they want to work.
Jun 8, '06On the question of second coursers taking up nursing I must add that one overlooked aspect is the re-training that is requisite to it. Me, I'm back to school and while it's hell on the time requirement and the lifestyle change, the necessary and attendant change of attitude is even more difficult on me.
The interesting thing is, because it still takes time to retool as a nurse, the change in attitude begins to sink in. You CAN train old dogs NEW tricks after all. I laugh to think of what a different kind of person I will be when I finally graduate. A REAL NURSE! :angel2:
Quote from nurse_MDHi guys... Would like to know your honest opinion, on the present trend of MDs shifting to be nurses, and going overseas to become nightingales.By now, most of us in the Philippines are aware of this phenomena, please feel free to share your views,of how a medical degree became a prerequisite to a nursing degree Share your experiences if you work with any so called "nurse -medics"..andif you are one, how is it working as a nurse by the way???
Thanks guys... Just like to have some insights on the matter:wink2: