Agenda For Change Frustrates me!!

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I cant believe it..It is just so frustrating, nurses who came 3 months to 2yrs after me are paid more than I do!!

wELl, i cant imagine the angst of those who are in service for the last 20 years and are paid behind, their counterparts who got qualified 10 years and earlier were paid more..

I rang salaries and wages and I begged to be explained why...and the last line? "I am just unfortunate and there is nothing they can do aboout it"..

What a?...

I dont think this is gonna get better...u know newly qualified staffs who cant even insert a cannula, handle CVPs, perform and interpret blood gases are paid more than me..

SOrry to channel my frustrations here..I have colleagues who are experiencing the same.. the more our working condition is not inspiring as it shld be..

went to my union, and they cant dp anything about it yet, as the assimilation is MAD.. well, no doubt about it IT IS REALLY MAD>>

:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire

i think, therefore, i will think again!!!

Specializes in renal,peritoneal dialysis, medicine.
iM Jus a humble D grade..people who came 6 months to 2 yrs after me are paid more than I do.. We lack staff and Ive been in charge of an acute respiratory ward frequently... today there r only 2 SN's for the whole ward.. at the same tym Im being rotated in our special unit called Non-Invasive unit...6 bedded HDU lyk.. and if the staff is my junior, i have to be in charge again...:uhoh21:

please, everybody say "bless".... to keep me going..m gonna be in charge again tomorrow.. chest drains, tracheostomies, even ventilators in the ward ... whew!! the site manager was squeezing me this pm to make a bed for a pt from ITU...i just dont have!! all these hard work lyk the rest of u..then,I think of my pay - it is just frustrating...

my mum comforted me and said...do your job as if your doing it for the Lord.. I went speechless...but I felt better..:) but ill see how i feel tomorrow...:uhoh3:

the trouble with working for the lord is it doesnt pay your mortgage and he wont help you when you loose your pin due to being exhausted!

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Specializes in midwifery, ophthalmics, general practice.
OOOooohhh... So ur a big boss eh? Do u want to adopt me?:p

M hard working and Im used to not going for break most of the tym..:) m a bit impatient at times but since im on beta-blockers, ive been asymptomatic..

perhaps my working condition will improve under ur management...:nurse:

THANK U IN ADVANCE....:rolleyes:

big boss.......:rotfl:

I'm a nurse practitioner in general practice....... we work as a team and I dont have any underlings!! dont think anyone thinks of me as the boss!!!!

its taken me 25yrs in nursing to get here.......... sigh!!

Karen:)

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the trouble with working for the lord is it doesnt pay your mortgage and he wont help you when you loose your pin due to being exhausted!

NYAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! THAT IS A VERY SMART comeback.. Ur ryt, ill fone mum now and see what she says..:p twas only payday and im very close using my bank overdraft perhaps next week!!:o

grrrrrr....:angryfire u just stirred me..better take my beta blockers..reaally a4c is drving me :uhoh3:...

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big boss.......:rotfl:

I'm a nurse practitioner in general practice....... we work as a team and I dont have any underlings!! dont think anyone thinks of me as the boss!!!!

its taken me 25yrs in nursing to get here.......... sigh!!

Karen:)

ohHhhh, ManNnn!!!

:smokin: i thot ur a real big shot!! enweii, for me ur a boss..u cant change dat.. ive made up my mind...:cool:

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the trouble with working for the lord is it doesnt pay your mortgage and he wont help you when you loose your pin due to being exhausted!

You do make me laugh:lol2:

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You do make me laugh:lol2:

well youve gotta laugh otherwise we would all break down and cry :crying2: on this adventure that we are all on together:)

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How strange... our E grades are band 6 and F grades are yet to be banded, but will probably also be band 6 in A&E, there is some wrangling going on though because we have G grades that aren't ENPs and some who aren't and some who are both ENPs and shift leaders.... the confusion goes on, lol.

band 6 would be a G grade..........

I've been banded at 7 and I'm currently an H grade..... I actually will be appealing for an 8 but hey not seen any flying pigs recently.....

good eh?

Karen

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How strange... our E grades are band 6 and F grades are yet to be banded, but will probably also be band 6 in A&E, there is some wrangling going on though because we have G grades that aren't ENPs and some who aren't and some who are both ENPs and shift leaders.... the confusion goes on, lol.

and therein lies the problem.... as I understood it, the whole idea of AfC was to pay us fairly and equally..

so how does a nurse who has a masters degree as a nurse practitioner, is an extended and supplementary prescriber, works totally independantly get grade 6.....while an E grade who has only the basic nursing qualifications get the same grade? the nurse practitioners in the soho walk in centre have more qualifications than you can shake a stick at but only got grade 6 because they arent managers!!

AfC also does not take into account being a supplementary/extended nurse prescriber... and have to say that was not an easy course!

what I see happening..is that nurses will move to where the money is.. I know one PCT who have banded their NP's on 8a.. this is going to make life interesting for all of us... I'm in general practice now and hoping my docs will band me 8a.. thats what they are talking about..so fingers crossed.

as a total cynic... for me AfC is not about valueing nurses- its about saving money and paying us less. Its going to produce wide variations in pay and nurses are going to start moving to where the better paid jobs are, leaving those behind to struggle with horrific staffing levels..

just my tuppenceworth........

Karen

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and therein lies the problem.... as I understood it, the whole idea of AfC was to pay us fairly and equally..

Yup that's what I'd hoped for!

so how does a nurse who has a masters degree as a nurse practitioner, is an extended and supplementary prescriber, works totally independantly get grade 6.....while an E grade who has only the basic nursing qualifications get the same grade? the nurse practitioners in the soho walk in centre have more qualifications than you can shake a stick at but only got grade 6 because they arent managers!!

At my London hospital, NP's are either going to be band 7 or 8, that's where their wrangling is... the E grades who gained Band 6 (and not everyone has been banded yet) have advanced courses and/or degrees outwith their existing degrees (like myself). It's attrocious that the NPs in Soho are band 6, that's just an insult to the job they are doing.

AfC also does not take into account being a supplementary/extended nurse prescriber... and have to say that was not an easy course!

So I've heard... where is the incentive to do it if you don't get rewards :uhoh3:

as a total cynic... for me AfC is not about valueing nurses- its about saving money and paying us less. Its going to produce wide variations in pay and nurses are going to start moving to where the better paid jobs are, leaving those behind to struggle with horrific staffing levels..

I am also worried about this, as an A&E E grade, I had to work very hard to obtain this level, much more so than my ward counterparts for the most part (and before anyone mentions it, I know ward nursing is not easy, but we have extended skills that must be learned before progressing).

I've recently learned that we have had an influx of applications from ward E grades within our hospital, which is partly due to a relaxation of bank rules which allowed our ward E grade nurses to work for us as a D) and partly, we believe, due to the fact that A&E E grades are getting band 6, where ward E grades are getting band 5! I and all the other E grades are very worried about this, since we all know (mostly from experience) how different ward nursing is to Emergency... if they were to be given the E grade, they surely must already be competent in triage, plastering, recieving traumas and all other sorts of emergencies in resus (very often alone) and knowing when to ask for help. I know when I was working on the wards, I would not have been capable of this, not by a long shot! Deciding who, when they walk through the doors can not wait more than 15 minutes and who can wait 3 hours to be seen is a skill not picked up by anything but experience as a D grade through very precise training.... I'm just worried that patients will die if an error in judgement is made in employing wrongly.

I guess is a round about way, my concerns are likened to yours... in that I know without a doubt I couldn't work as an ENP without further training, which I would hope that I would be rewarded for... likewise, people in my job need to be nurtured and developed into their jobs and I hope that they will recieve the right accreditation for their work.

I would be more than frustrated, no, I would probably lodge an official complaint if someone without the experience we needed to obtain our jobs was given the same responsibilities and pay.... it goes against everything the AFC was supposed to stand for!

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