I am a US CITIZEN, with SS card and a blue passport since I was born here in CA but was educated in the Philippines (CEBU).
My problem was that I was found to be ineligible for the NCLEX.
They replied this...
" The courses on your transcripts and clinical records do not correspond to when the training was supposed to have been completed. We also show your clinicals were not completed concurrently. Concurrently means theory and clinicals are to be completed in the same semester. Your cases that should have been completed in N101 were completed were completed in N 104 and 105 and in May 2010. The major and minor should have been completed in N102 but were completed in N104 and 105 and in May 2010.. Because of these discrepaancies in your academic program, we cannot consider you eligible for the NCLEX-RN examination."
They told me to be an LVN, or talk to a nursing director and complete an approved nursing program or apply to another state..
WOW. WHY NOW? I know some who were found eligible for CA BON. They should post something about this in their website because I think they just keep on receiving money and wasting people's time and effort.
I am now looking up to apply to another state (NY , NJ or FL) since the CA BON is giving me no choice.
I personally would find it insulting for them to say this. So what if I finished my Major case #5 two semesters after my previous cases..? as long as I did accomplish them.. It doesnt mean that I failed my MEd surg.
My sister who is enrolled at Mount St. Mary's (in CA) found this also "odd"..
@sally911I' m glad you got what i meant coz your post really hit me.like you said PH students went beyond what California students had done. All posters here are hoping, that CaBon realize that these cases even though not done in concurrent with theory does not mean that clinicals were not done concurrently. Because like i said these cases need not be completed on that specific time frame of theory... Cases can be completed until before graduation.We spoke with analyst who pointed out that cases were not done concurrently with theory coz most of the cases were done during fourth year... Senior years were given priorities of course or else they cannot graduate...i dont know... Still thinking on how to prove that clinicals were also done concurrently...there's gotta be a way.. Maybe have the school specify what had been done during that clinical coz ob and med surg is not only about these cases... Observation like what you guys have done or taking care of pt in labor,post partum women,pre op and post patients are also part of ob and med surg...idont know... What about you ,did your school have to specify what are being dont during clinicals and not simply your logbook showing you have your clinicals done concurrently with your theories.. Coz if you guys can just observe why they not consider foreign students too? Just thinking aloud ... I guess it will help if our PH board will not require these cases but "hands on" is also a good experience.What about your rn friend, did she submit her application yet... If she is still in PH she should coordinate with her school about this issue and maybe like i said have them help her prove that there was a concurrency even though cases were done later.Goodluck to your friend!
Hi Rntopaz:
Yea, I spoke in length with my PH friend. She thinks because of the way, the PH college structured the cases that's to be tied in with the clinicals and even tho' the college staff and curriculum says you still can do them separately is incorrect.
The fact that they tied them together, but you're allowed (by the PH standards) to do them before you graduate and either in your junior, but most likely in the senior year is wrong and see the CA BON for the mass denials. It's the college's fault for doing this and yes, it's hard to get the patient's in and the timing is all bad and not always convenient, but since it's a PH requirement and not a CA requirement, the PH college members needs to eliminate the way it's done, unless the PH admin. feels it's more important to their needs, then, there's not much you as students and grads can do. Find a PH college that truly meets CA BON minimum requirements AND PH standards.
Yes, she's already been denied. So sad for her....and we had plans to go to Disneyland and do some other CA tourist traps, as she's been here as a little girl on a short visit, but never to the big "D". Her folks or auntie was able to get her a SS number years ago, I don't know how, but that's one hurdle she can clear, just not the CA BON problem.
On a side note to my friend, she said that some of her friends somehow got to apply and approved, but yet, how could that be, if her classmates from the same class and same year and some same courses got the ATT but they got declined?
So now the CA BON are asking some of those that got a ATT to ask for other names!
Why?
The CA BON are now suspecting that some very questionable documentation are coming thru the application process.
How is it possible that Mary, Cary and Larry got a ATT that Sherri, Barry and Stevie from the same classes got denied based on the same courses taken and same college and were once classmates that graduated at the same ceremony?
This is only going to put all those colleges into some very hot water or if there was any evidence of document tampering or issuance of fraudalent paperwork. If it's real bad and prevalent, I think the CA BON will cease any and all PH applicants in the near future due to a few or many applicants doing anything they can to get a CA license. It only takes a few bad apples to spoil the bunch.
It makes the PH college board as a corrupt system and probably they will look further into the degrees from any PH college and maybe go beyond just a conditional renewal to absolute non-renewal of not only CA licensees but other states as well and full denial of all PH degrees.
@sallyp911.. I think its all about the timing of application since usually i read that the foreign graduates who got denied submitted their application in April 2011. Maybe it was just in April that CaBon really enforced the rule... So ask your friend when the others submitted their application to verify our hypothesis to be added to our research... Hahaha!
@sallyp911.. I think its all about the timing of application since usually i read that the foreign graduates who got denied submitted their application in April 2011. Maybe it was just in April that CaBon really enforced the rule... So ask your friend when the others submitted their application to verify our hypothesis to be added to our research... Hahaha!
She applied back in June, 2011 and her other friends applied also in June, but yes, some did apply back in April, 2011, some as early as March, 2011, some as late as Aug....there was a total of 9 friends, all denied.
She's going to apply into NY and NH and FL. But from what her friend already in NY, it's real tough there as some of the hospitals are still laying off staff nurses. She was thinking of going to Hawaii, but it's pretty bad there in new grad hires, it's who you know not what you know there.
CA is going off the radar for her and her friends. It's senseless to keep their hopes up with the current issues that the CA side is having. With the tougher job market in every state, the longer they pray for a miracle, it's a sacrifice she and others are willing to make. Some are applying to NV, WA and AZ.
If one day, the CA BON requirements are changed or relaxed again, at least coming back into CA, she and they will have the years of experience to move on to other jobs.
With the extreme tight job nursing market, the CA BON is not in any rush to make any changes to their almost 10 year old rulings, it could be another 10 years, unless the economy turns around and the "nursing shortage" that seems to be urban myth is truly like it was several years ago, when hospitals offered $1,000's just for signing a contract.
students who have theory and clinical concurrently have a higher pass rate on the nclex. observation alone is not enough, us schools provides hands on care, which each student with a masters prepared or an instructor with vast clinical experience supervising students and approved ahead of time by the board of nursing.
the bigger issue, i observed, the number of international students failing the nclex the first time they take it, that is seen as a failure in the educational system in the usa. when the majority of the applicants fail the bon needs to look at the applicants education.
i know many tried to avoid the high costs of a us education by going aboard, but it seems like the failure of so many failing the nclex has raised, themany flags at the bon. this with the fact there is not a demand for nurses makes the bon reflect and analyze each application.
You clearly do not understand the way our cases works. I dont want to offend you but you shouldnt drop your opinion without understanding the whole concept. This is actually the main reason why CA_BON thinks our clinical and theory werent done concurrently. In regards to the passing rate it is a different topic.
Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.
You clearly do not understand the way our cases works. I dont want to offend you but you shouldnt drop your opinion without understanding the whole concept. This is actually the main reason why CA_BON thinks our clinical and theory werent done concurrently. In regards to the passing rate it is a different topic.
We have had many members post that their clinicals in some areas was done the following year or even end of their training from their theory. That is one of the reasons the concurrency has occurred
We have had many members post that their clinicals in some areas was done the following year or even end of their training from their theory. That is one of the reasons the concurrency has occurred
Those clinicals done in some areas at the end of our training is called a completion that completion our only goal is to complete our cases which is not a part of the typical clinical duty other student nurses have. with our regular clinicals which is concurrent with our theory we still perform our duties as a nurse we are just arent able to complete our cases which are the minor surgery/major surgery/actual delivery of a newborn/assisting in the delivery of a newborn/cordcare on that time frame but we were there performing our duties such as the typical vitalsigns, internal exam, giving medications and so on and so forth. There are also other case scenarios but that would be the most basic way to explain that. Anyways the concurrency issue makes our clinical seem like we went to the hospital to hang out and do nothing because they are basing it from something that they dont even require and understand.
This is just an explanation of how the cases works, I dont mean to offend anyone, I am just trying to have a point a cross.
sallyp911
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Hi Rntopaz:
Yea, I spoke in length with my PH friend. She thinks because of the way, the PH college structured the cases that's to be tied in with the clinicals and even tho' the college staff and curriculum says you still can do them separately is incorrect.
The fact that they tied them together, but you're allowed (by the PH standards) to do them before you graduate and either in your junior, but most likely in the senior year is wrong and see the CA BON for the mass denials. It's the college's fault for doing this and yes, it's hard to get the patient's in and the timing is all bad and not always convenient, but since it's a PH requirement and not a CA requirement, the PH college members needs to eliminate the way it's done, unless the PH admin. feels it's more important to their needs, then, there's not much you as students and grads can do. Find a PH college that truly meets CA BON minimum requirements AND PH standards.
Yes, she's already been denied. So sad for her....and we had plans to go to Disneyland and do some other CA tourist traps, as she's been here as a little girl on a short visit, but never to the big "D". Her folks or auntie was able to get her a SS number years ago, I don't know how, but that's one hurdle she can clear, just not the CA BON problem.