:angryfire Hi all, I got my LPN a year ago last march and worked med/surg and long term care. I graduated in Dec and started at a Level one mixed ICU/CVICU/everything else unit. I was so excited to be in the ICU! Took all kinds of classes, on the icu.faq website all the time, bought books, asked questions, etc.
Now, 8 months later I am so disgusted. The nurses there (well at least 80% of them) are so nasty to the new grads! Snide comments, act like they're so much better, can't talk about anything except what we don't know. Didn't they emphasize teaching in nursing school? Last night I was subjected to a long conversation about how lazy we are, how stupid we are, how we can't run a code, we shouldn't be working there, etc ad nauseum. There were three new nurses present but that didn't stop the nastiness.
I have done nothing but be excited, willing to help, and willing to learn. Now I'm thinking I should be working at an insurance co where RN's run the show, don't have to wipe poop, break their backs or be subjected to such hostility.
I am sorry but as a new grad in SICU I had to hang new norepi bags, shut off feeding pumps (with supination) with the senior nurses just as much as my new grad peers. In fact, of the 6 nurses that were in my fellowship, only the two who entered with previous nursing experience have had disciplinary measures against them (one mismanaged a pt that ended up herniating and another failed her cardiovascular exam... didn't even understand what preload was).
I have been told by just a few of the physicians that my practice is at or above that of many of the seasoned nurses. Often they'll just stick to what they know (e.g. bolusing with NS instead of LR or hespan in hypovolemia) just because it's what they've done for years. No doubt new grads have a steep learning curve but I challenge anyone to a match of wits and knowledge.
:angryfire Hi all, I got my LPN a year ago last march and worked med/surg and long term care. I graduated in Dec and started at a Level one mixed ICU/CVICU/everything else unit. I was so excited to be in the ICU! Took all kinds of classes, on the icu.faq website all the time, bought books, asked questions, etc.
Now, 8 months later I am so disgusted. The nurses there (well at least 80% of them) are so nasty to the new grads! Snide comments, act like they're so much better, can't talk about anything except what we don't know. Didn't they emphasize teaching in nursing school? Last night I was subjected to a long conversation about how lazy we are, how stupid we are, how we can't run a code, we shouldn't be working there, etc ad nauseum. There were three new nurses present but that didn't stop the nastiness.
I have done nothing but be excited, willing to help, and willing to learn. Now I'm thinking I should be working at an insurance co where RN's run the show, don't have to wipe poop, break their backs or be subjected to such hostility.
Thanks for ruining my attitude, ICU nurses.
I'm sorry to hear that you're working with the nurses from hell. I'd write a formal complaint to the supervisor or administrator. You don't have to put up with being called stupid and lazy. Or you could go to a different wing were you'll be appreciated the most.
I volunteer at a hospital a few days a week, and the nursing staff at the CCU wing are excellent and helpful. The nurses help the aides out and the teamwork is great. I do have a question. Is ICU the same thing as CCU? Is there a difference?
Ok, agreed. So what did you not agree with, besides new grad is more likely to miss something?
I was attempting to answer the question. I thought it was a gentle answer.
It was obviously not an answer that you agreed with, but at the point you feel the need to jump down my throat for voicing my thoughts, you might be accused of being a tad hostile and aggressive. You must've sensed that you were doing so because you even apologise for it.
Sorry to sound like I am blasting you, angie,
But you did blast me. The content of what you were saying was lost in the angry, bitter tone of that post. Really. What a waste of good emotion. If you want to get angry about something, get angry that there's homelessness, or poverty, or drug abuse in the world, not something as silly as a few words you disagree with from someone you've never met before, who has no influence whatsoever over your current situation.
No doubt there are many LSE nurses out there, who feel downtrodden and wish everyone to feel as miserable as they do. I too cringe when nurses 'crow' about another nurses' mistakes..and crowing is the perfect work...just like a bunch of cackling birds. It nauseates me...we ALL make mistakes.
BUT these types come in all sizes and ages...I've worked 'em all...new grads, 5 yr experienced to well-seasoned nurses who relish picking apart everything the other nurse/shift does.
Too many nurses out there just eat each other...period. It ain't just the old eating the young, don't be fooled. This can develop into a very nasty habit amongst staffmembers,and working with these types can be hell, depending on the leadership and how engrained it is. some of these places are so toxic ANY new staff member is torn to shreds and soon leave...its too toxic...who needs it?
So I challenge ALL here, young and old, to NOT become this kind of nurse. Things are tough enough out there and we need some solidarity.
Ok, agreed. So what did you not agree with, besides new grad is more likely to miss something?[
I think Anyone can make a mistake new or old.. I have found no infor on who makes more mistakes or if a new nurse is more likely to make a mistake then a RN working for six years..I have worked on both med floors and ICU's.
And i have to say a new Nurse is more then likely to pick up on her mistake b/c they ask others and check ten times. I have see older RN's just do something and not check twice. So for me i THINK IT is THE PERSON NOT how much TIME you have!!!
AND no matter what you do no one has the right to be mean to anyone hosekeeper to RN.. and if yuou have a problem with someone talke to them on the side.
I have see new RN's pick up one things that i miss and i see things that they could miss.It a new set of eyes and Ithink it is great!!
I have missed things before and it will happen again I am not scared to admit
it
What I do think is scary are RN who point fingers at other says look at what they miss, Or they are new they are going to make mistakes. THoes are the ones that are missing there own mistakes.
.Anyone who can say nEW RN make more mistakes then me????
I was attempting to answer the question. I thought it was a gentle answer.
It was obviously not an answer that you agreed with, but at the point you feel the need to jump down my throat for voicing my thoughts, you might be accused of being a tad hostile and aggressive. You must've sensed that you were doing so because you even apologise for it.
But you did blast me. The content of what you were saying was lost in the angry, bitter tone of that post. Really. What a waste of good emotion. If you want to get angry about something, get angry that there's homelessness, or poverty, or drug abuse in the world, not something as silly as a few words you disagree with from someone you've never met before, who has no influence whatsoever over your current situation.
No doubt there are many LSE nurses out there, who feel downtrodden and wish everyone to feel as miserable as they do. I too cringe when nurses 'crow' about another nurses' mistakes..and crowing is the perfect work...just like a bunch of cackling birds. It nauseates me...we ALL make mistakes.
BUT these types come in all sizes and ages...I've worked 'em all...new grads, 5 yr experienced to well-seasoned nurses who relish picking apart everything the other nurse/shift does.
Too many nurses out there just eat each other...period. It ain't just the old eating the young, don't be fooled. This can develop into a very nasty habit amongst staffmembers,and working with these types can be hell, depending on the leadership and how engrained it is. some of these places are so toxic ANY new staff member is torn to shreds and soon leave...its too toxic...who needs it?
So I challenge ALL here, young and old, to NOT become this kind of nurse. Things are tough enough out there and we need some solidarity.
I was attempting to answer the question. I thought it was a gentle answer.
It was obviously not an answer that you agreed with, but at the point you feel the need to jump down my throat for voicing my thoughts, you might be accused of being a tad hostile and aggressive. You must've sensed that you were doing so because you even apologise for it.
But you did blast me. The content of what you were saying was lost in the angry, bitter tone of that post. Really. What a waste of good emotion. If you want to get angry about something, get angry that there's homelessness, or poverty, or drug abuse in the world, not something as silly as a few words you disagree with from someone you've never met before, who has no influence whatsoever over your current situation.
Geez.
Well, we are not discussing homelessness, poverty or drug abuse, now are we? We are discussing how nurses treat new nurses. You gave your side of it, and why you thought it happened. I posted back, with the intention of saying that the reasons you gave, in my opinion, were not valid. Why are you so sensitive? I have been on both sides, and think it is a big problem today. Some of the more exprienced nurses are working like it is still the 70's, and healthcare is different now, this country needs nurses now. There are, unfortunately enough nursing jobs available, nobody wants your job. And if you did yours according to today's CYA standards, you wont have to worry about a new grad "missing" something. I am sure you are familiar with CYA, arent you? I have to think that alot of this is ego, ,ya know.... "this nurse just got out of school, is 24, just got her license, and is doing the same thing I am for the same money, and I have been doing this for 15 years" kind of thing. It's classic human behavior.stop pretending there is a valid reason for treating new nurses like they are the enemy, or incompetent. Like it or not, they are RN's, working right along side of you. GEEZ.
I don't treat new nurses badly. You're presuming something that I never implied.
stop pretending there is a valid reason for treating new nurses like they are the enemy, or incompetent.
You need to stop accusing me as though I was the enemy or incompetent.
Like it or not, they are RN's, working right along side of you. GEEZ.
I don't know where you got the chip on your shoulder, but your responses are angry, sarcastic and unnecessary. Certainly unprofessional at the least. May I remind you--you don't work with me, you don't know me from Adam, and why you've chosen to attack me as some nurse-eating wench, I don't know, but this is my last post on the subject.
These last few pages of replies are perfect examples of picking apart other nurses. Why the bickering?
I posted on the first few pages of this topic. I am a "seasoned" ICU nurse and am still suffering the "toxic" conditions of my colleagues. It's disgusting and am ashamed.
If we can't come here to vent without prejudice, then what's the point? These are all great opinions and most are justified with their experiences.
What are we showing that poor nurse who started this topic? We have just proved her right, haven't we?
I'm speaking in the third person because I don't want to single anyone post, except for the one who posted, "a little solidarity here!"
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I'm sorry if you take this personally, but in my experience, I have caught many mistakes by "senior" nurses.