I want to know what nurses think about socialized medicine.

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I'm doing a report on Socialized medicine and dont know much about how people feel about it as I live in Idaho.What are any of you Canadian nurses feelings about it? Good or Bad?

and you know this? how? her taxes will go up as well as everyone in the middle class. Wait to you see people abuse a system when it's "free". It is unsustainable to have free health care for all with only a few paying for it.

I don't think you'd see your taxes go up anymore then what u pay for insurance premiums now out-of-pocket to private institutions...that may or may not cover u if u became ill. Atleast, from what I understand, u couldn't be "dropped" from coverage and most insurance companies now have a"cap" on what they will pay. Some of those "caps" are easy to reach if you have to have a major surg. or have mulitple treatments. I think this single payer/ universal plan would benefit small business owners more than anyone else. It's a HUGE expense to buy healthcare for your family + employees if that is what u do now.
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Specializes in Acute Care, Rehab, Palliative.
and you know this? how? her taxes will go up as well as everyone in the middle class. Wait to you see people abuse a system when it's "free". It is unsustainable to have free health care for all with only a few paying for it.

But it's not only a few paying , it is everyone.

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With respect "common knowledge" is not a fact. Also, you specifically said "preventable chronic disease" and presented it as if it was the only reason insurance premiums get raised -- that is a misleadingly simplistic view of the industry. If any insurance company raised its premiums solely to offset costs of policy pay outs their profits would not have continued to rise historically.

Really? What is your source?

It is a FACT that ins. cos raise premiums to offset tx of chronic dzs. The only reason? No. I realize pcd is not the sole reason premiums rise. That was not my intent. My point was this: I believe more funding should go to prevention, b/c such an enourmous amount of money is spent txing chroinic dzs.

Oslogirl, RN-BSN for almost thirteen years.

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The storm is coming and we all have no clue the magnitude of it. The people that can pay now will continue to pay and the ones that can't or won't will still not be able to contribute (except to the debt of healthcare). Doctors will continue to order exorbitant tests to cover their butts from lawsuits. Example, person that comes to ER 50 times a year for abd pain will always get the full meal deal work up because the one time its not done and they actually have something wrong they win the lawsuit lottery. Every chest pain over age 45 (some younger) regardless of tests being negative will be admitted to be precautionary. As long as the liabilty of the doctors are high they will protect themselves, it we make them less liable then we have to worry about quality of care standards.

Preventative care will help if people actually go to visits and try to take better care of themselves. However, I still see people that say that can't get to walmart for the "free" antibiotic but they can afford the daily 6 pack beer and their smokes. The cost to try and overhaul the healthcare system will come at a price to all of us there really is no way to avoid it, higher taxes (instituted slowly to make Obama look good), perhaps lower pay to medical personnel, higher insurance premiums for the haves to cover the have nots. I honestly think they should start with overhauling present programs and weed out the fradulent advantage takers. How many are on disability collecting a check and can work? I see alot of young people on disability these days and while some may be legit I would venture to say some are not, they should be working and supporting the system. Healthcare is definately broke and we do need reform, but you can't spend trillions of dollars and not expect our personal bottom lines to change.

Toq

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and you know this? how? her taxes will go up as well as everyone in the middle class. Wait to you see people abuse a system when it's "free". It is unsustainable to have free health care for all with only a few paying for it.

Well that isn't true because they have had it in the UK since WWII. It also exists in EVERY other major economic power and a good few minor ones. Also, how would people abuse a free healthcare system -- perhaps get a free appendectomy when they don't need one? It can't be anymore open to abuse than a system run by private insurers. Further, who are these "few" paying for it?

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Specializes in Med Surg, OB/GYN, Surgery, Home Health.

I think you are mistaken, it will not be everyone who will be paying. Not everyone now pays taxes. In fact there are a lot of people who get refunds from the government who do not pay into it. I think that is called earned income credit. I am a school nurse and I estimate that over 30% of the parents who's children I take care of have no job or do not want a job because there are too many "free" things out there for them. Now there will be "free" healthcare that I will be paying for. My husband has no employees with his business. I work to have insurance and I am confident that the 1400.00 I pay for insurance for the year will be a lot less than the hike in taxes to pay for those who have no insurance. There should be insurance reform or how about the judges not awarding millions of dollars to people whose common sense stopped working! :crying2:

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Is it me or does a lot of this argument come down to whether or not one operates with an "every man for himself" attitude. Seriously -- when I read some of the stuff posted here, people may as well save themselves the time and type:

"well me and mine are OK so sod the rest of you"

I am glad people feel complacent about their current situation and I wish them no harm. Ignoring the insularity of that complacence, it seems incredibly short sighted to rely on one's job and the insurance it supplies. Nothing lasts forever. Unexpected things happen that can wipe out a job and insurance can be yanked.

I think it is shameful that people die for want of medical care in this country. I think it shameful that people can lose their homes because of medical bills. You get the idea -- I won't go on.

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HealthCare in USA isn't working?

Doctors and nurses from all over the world want to work in USA. People from other countries come to the USA for surgeries since the USA healthcare is head and shoulders above any other country

Healthcare is working excellent in the USA, You need to broader your horizons before making such comment:nono:

Yes, they come here for care if they have the money to pay for it, or are so poor they check themselves in for emergency care.

It is NOT working here. When millions of people use ERs as their primary care provider, the system is not working.

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and you know this? how? her taxes will go up as well as everyone in the middle class. Wait to you see people abuse a system when it's "free". It is unsustainable to have free health care for all with only a few paying for it.

I'm curious who you think is paying for everyone in the US who doesn't have insurance now? I know for a fact that hospitals charge insurances a lot more than what things costs in order to cover those who cannot pay. Insurance companies pass that on to their customers. They sure aren't going to give up those multi-millions, if not billions in profits out of the goodness of their hearts. Insurance companies are in it to make those enormous profits, nothing more. They would much rather not pay out to cover your expenses. It's how so many families go broke, and children die (yes, I've seen kids with insurance denied life-saving procedures) even if they have "good insurance."

Instead of corporations paying so much of their share of insurance (and per person covered, your company is paying a fortune) then maybe they could be taxed at a somewhat lower rate to help relieve the tax burden on the individuals.

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And look at their tax rates and the fact that they have to ration care.

Well that isn't true because they have had it in the UK since WWII. It also exists in EVERY other major economic power and a good few minor ones. Also, how would people abuse a free healthcare system -- perhaps get a free appendectomy when they don't need one? It can't be anymore open to abuse than a system run by private insurers. Further, who are these "few" paying for it?
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Yawn. Show me all these kids dying because they were denied life saving procedures? What ones receiving their third heart lung transplant perhaps.

They would much rather not pay out to cover your expenses. It's how so many families go broke, and children die (yes, I've seen kids with insurance denied life-saving procedures) even if they have "good insurance."

Instead of corporations paying so much of their share of insurance (and per person covered, your company is paying a fortune) then maybe they could be taxed at a somewhat lower rate to help relieve the tax burden on the individuals.

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They use the ER for primary care because of convenience the same reason they call an ambulance for a tooth ache. Why not utilize the ER for primary care no appointment necessary and you ain't gonna pay the bill anyway.

"Ignorance, the most expensive commodity we pay for in this country" Rush Limbaugh

Yes, they come here for care if they have the money to pay for it, or are so poor they check themselves in for emergency care.

It is NOT working here. When millions of people use ERs as their primary care provider, the system is not working.

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