I'm not exactly sure when my instructor started hating me, or if she disliked me from the beginning. But she broke me. Any answer I would give in pre or post conference would be wrong, or not good enough. But any other student who said what I said would be right.
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I sit in my car outside of the hospital where I'm doing my second term clinicals at. Tears are just rolling down my cheeks. They won't stop. In LVN school, we have 13 week terms. This is only week 7. The tears increase with this sudden thought. I cannot do this anymore. I want to drive to campus and quit this very instant. Instead, I drive home through the tears, remembering the horrible 7 weeks I've had...
The last week of Term I, we all received our clinical assignments. I was so excited! I got the clinical instructor I was hoping for, at a site I was hoping for, life looked like it was going to be great in Term II. We even started at an acute care facility this term. I was tired of the nursing home. The first day comes. The group I'm with is different. All of them older than I am, except for two new girls who were restarts. I befriend them. There's all the wonderful paperwork, and video watching that comes with orientation. Then our instructor has us write down some things she wants us to know and use this term. She goes on to tell us how our day will work. I think I can handle things. She tells us that we'll rotate through Cath lab, ER, OR, GI lab and radiology. I leave feeling confident. That was the only day I felt confident.
I started off the best I could. Introduced myself to the patients as soon as I got on the floor. Vitals, AM care. I read the charts completely. I knew my patients inside and out. I even went above and beyond what was expected of me. I would write out every abnormal lab, every medication, and learn all I needed to about both. I checked on my patients every half hour or so. I helped out my fellow student nurses when I could. Stayed on top of my paperwork. I was working so hard.
I'm not exactly sure when my instructor started hating me, or if she disliked me from the beginning. But she broke me. Any answer I would give in pre or post conference would be wrong, or not good enough. But any other student who said what I said would be right. If I was passing meds that day, she would rush me through med confession and then accuse me of not knowing my medications. She always gave me the most complicated patients, which for a while I took in stride. I figured I was getting more experience. She would not allow other students to help me, but I was expected to help them. Checking on my patients every half hour wasn't good enough, she wanted me in a patient room at all times. I never rotated to any specialty. She would barge in on me when I was bathing or changing patients, and have a complete disrespect for my patients dignity. While I was doing AM care with one patient, she would go to my other patient rooms and find things wrong with them, then chew me out in front of all the staff after. The day I sat crying in my car in front of the hospital was one of the worst.
By this time I knew she hated me. I still wasn't sure why. But she did. The patient load she gave me that day was just like any other. One total care, one was a custody patient (I was the only student to receive those, go figure), and one who had stasis ulcers on both legs and ulcers on the toes. I was to do wound care with her watching me. I asked the student leader to be there as well, for moral support. I gathered my supplies and headed into the room. I let the patient know I would be changing his dressings and asked him if he needed any pain medication. The patient was a dear old man, sweet as could be. Everything was set. I went and got my instructor. I set up and began. She stood there with a horrible look upon her face, as she always did when she was with me. I went through each step, talking with the patient while continuing. I got to a point where I was slightly confused about how to put on the medicated strip. I told her as much, and asked her how I should apply it. She just stood there. Didn't even respond to my question. My patient was also expecting an answer, both of us looked at each other and I just tried to figure things out. The patient became more aware of my instructors attitude towards me and attempted to converse with her. She gave him very short answers, not showing any interest in what he was saying. I finished up about 10 minutes after I had began. I will never forget what she said. She told me it took me too long to do the dressing change, that I was unprepared and I shouldn't be allowed to do procedures, period! She stormed out of the room. I stood there, in shock. I began to shake, out of pure humiliation and anger. I felt like an utter failure. The student leader looked at me and told me I did everything by the book. The patient tried to console me, he told me that I did a better job than most of the staff nurses before me. He even asked me what was wrong with the instructor! He couldn't believe an instructor would treat a student, let alone a patient, like that. I worked hard to maintain composure in the room, and throughout the rest of the day.
When I arrive home that day, I thanked God for getting me there safely. I called my step-mom who is an RN and explained everything that had gone on in the past 7 weeks, topping the story off with what happened today. She talked me out of quitting, and told me some clinical instructors were just awful people.
The next 6 weeks weren't any better. I still was kept on the floor. The charge nurse came to know me well. She even bragged to my instructor about how much progress I had made. My instructor just muttered something under her breath and walked away. She would call the director of nursing to come to our site weekly, for the main purpose of making me seem incompetent. I was accused of a medication error, which wasn't an error at all. The review she gave me at the end of the term was absolutely awful. By the end of the 13 weeks, my confidence was completely shattered.
Term III started the week after. I was at a site which was about a hundred times more difficult than before. The patients were what we called train wrecks. Multi-system failures, diseases I'd only read about in textbooks, and more! How could I survive this if I couldn't survive the less complicated patients before? My confidence was gone and I had two instructors to impress this time around! Because of the way I was treated during my second term, I made sure I was always on top of everything. Meds, AM care, vitals, team work, documentation... while some students were struggling to finish up charting before post conference let out, I was done hours before we even started. I was doing everything I could to stay off the radar of my instructors. I just wanted to finish the term in peace.
By the time mid-term evaluations rolled around, I was expecting the worst. I had never received a good eval, why should I be getting one now? My main instructor called me in, and I sat down. She looked at me, and asked me flat out how my second term was. I was a little confused by the question, but I told her. After I was done, she looked at me and smiled. She told me that she could tell that I tried to avoid her when at all possible, and had been curious as to why. Now she knew. She pulled out my evaluation. She proceeded to tell me that I was the best student nurse she had ever seen. She was highly impressed with everything I had done so far, my extensive knowledge of medications and lab values. The other instructor was impressed as well. Apparently she had a few complaints about every other student, but not me. I was floored. I was good?
It was in that moment that I realized I was going to make it. My previous instructor, as horrible to me as she was, gave me motivation to be on top of everything, know everything about my patient and try to be the perfect student nurse. Even though nothing was good enough for her, she turned me into the best student nurse I could've possibly been. It was the worst 13 weeks in LVN school, but out of it came something positive, I knew how to be a good nurse. I think about that instructor from time to time. Because of her, I have the confidence to tackle just about anything a patient throws my way.
queen777 said:I would have given anything to have an RN instructor like you! Even before I was able to start the program I got jipped by the pharmachology teacher. He gave us this huge test only the second time we had class. The test seemed like a test that would & should have been given only at the end of the class to test us on what we had studied.I could never figure it out that the instructors were "out to get students". Was this some kind of test to see how tough we would be as floor nurses? Seemed very petty to me. I felt "set up" so many times. I was not a kid. I was 33 yrs old with 2 little kids and a husband, so all of this was not easy.
Back to the pham test. When I finally took my last stab at passing pharm math and got my test back, I noticed some of the answers had been erased! But not having any way to prove it, I failed by .3 of a point!. The head of the nursing program came out in the hallway where a lot of us were standing and she came over to me and said, "I know you think you passed, but you didn't!" "I want to see you in my office." There she continued to lecture me saying "we all can't be astronauts!". I am thinking just let me out of here, I have had enough and I think that is exactly what she wanted ,yet there are complaints there is a nursing shortage, of course there is.
Anyway I went on the LPN school and passed with flying colors. At my last job, 10 yrs ago, I was a charge nurse on a subacute floor with RNs under me! I was the only LPN working that shift. My supervisor said I was better than most of his RNs because my heart was in my job and I did a better job than they did. All I wanted to do was be a floor nurse.
[........] I never knew someone could be so heartless. I guess my heart was in nursing too much. I am epileptic so to be able to go back to school and not be discriminated against, there are no words for the cloud I was on. This was my dream come true, at last I could be the nurse I had only been called by my father.
Now at 55 I only wish all of this anomosity would go away so I could be the happy person I used to be. She has no idea the resentment I feel for what she took away from me. It wasn't necessary. I wasn't even through the program yet. Why did she have to beat me down? I possibly could have failed along the way and that would have been that. Amen.
These are really some horrible stories that I've been reading on here...... All I can say is "document, document, document" and record everything in one way or another, including what people say to you and when, and include any witnesses too. I will as a matter of regular practice, be keeping a daily journal of such things from here on out. I'm taking English 101 as a co-req while I'm in school and waiting for placement, and have to hone my writing skills (which are pretty good to begin with anyhow) because I may need them in my nursing career. Yes, I agree that this is an instructor's game, and that to a certain extent you have to kiss a bit of butt, but IMO this goes "beyond the pale". I repeat what I posted earlier - I do not believe that this sort of "instruction" should be allowed to exist, and I will never believe in it, for any supposed reason. Most of us have gone through a lot of crap just to get to the point we are at now - we aren't going to go nine-tenths of the way just to shrug our shoulders and walk away from it. We have too much - materially, financially, emotionally, and spiritually invested in it, to just walk away from it because of one person's character flaws.
Thank you for sharing this story BTW - "forewarned is forearmed" as an old old saying goes .........
Vito Andolini said:This is good to hear - that there is at least 1 normal instructor in the world.I must say, while there are definitely some terrible teachers, there are also some students who seem to do everything in their power to give instructors a hard time. When I was teaching, I had students who habitually arrived late, came unprepared, hid out during clinicals, and viewed me as their enemy no matter how much I tried to be fair with them, tried to teach them what they needed to know, and bent the rules to try to help them. I knew they had children to care for, jobs to work to stay alive, and many responsibilities besides school.
I tried to balance their needs with the fact that I was supposed to be preparing them to care for human lives and preparing them to be able to be employed. I felt responsible to teach them to be punctual, reliable, & time-conscious, among other things. It is very hard to teach responsibility to some students.
Some students tried to befriend me. I kept my distance and probably seemed unfriendly but felt it was necessary, for their benefit, mine, and the benefit of their future patients. I tried hard to pass everyone but let the students decide, by their efforts and by their successes or failures, what became of their attempts to become nurses.
I'm not implying that anyone here on this board was or is a problem student, only presenting a glimpse into the head of an Instructor, for whatever it's worth.
Yes, there is that angle of it, and maybe some are the way they are because of this, but it's still not fair to the students who are really trying, and are not in any way shape or form "messing up". Nobody said teaching was an easy job. You may notice that I'm not volunteering to do it. In a lot of ways its a thankless and unrecognized job. I realize that. I am male, and I am an older student (55 y.o.) and have already experienced some of this stuff. I am more of a "go with the flow, shrug it off" type of guy, but I know that at some point I am probably going to be challenged and publicly called out by someone somewhere, so I'm going to have to be ready for it, and respond to it publicly and immediately.
hillarypeace2006 said:Stay Strong... Some of these instructors out here are on serious power-trips! I've experienced something similar and after being so mad, sad, and feeling down, I realized that only an inadquate educator would believe that shattering one's confidence was adequate education. It's on her..not you.. Just do your best and document these things. If she did it to you, she definitely did it to others...Just keep a journal, time and date in a mini notebook you can keep in your notebook pocket, like a diary... then if you should have to defend yourself in a "grading situation" you will not have to rely on anecdotal recollection of what occurred.
I knew someone else on here had mentioned journaling and also documenting every little thing ? These subject threads get so long that sometimes you have to go back and re-read them. I'd actually been considering journaling before this for other reasons, but it's a good thing to do in this case.
To Vito Andolini:
It's not an instructor's responsibility to "weed people out". People like that will weed themselves out eventually. Yes, I know that it happens all the time, but that doesn't mean that it's right. Everyone deserves a fair shake. If they mess up in spite of being given one, then it's totally on them. I was related a story by some younger fellow students of mine who had a particularly difficult instructor for a lecture class (I actually had him for a lab, and he was very rude and disrespectful of me in that lab, but I didn't take the bait). Anyway, this instructor, when called openly on some stuff in this lecture class angrily told everyone in the class to "get out". I cannot personally verify this - it's just what I was told by them later. I did not say this to those students, but if it had been me, I would not have left the classroom. Why? Because I am a working, voting, taxpaying citizen of this state, attending a public education institution. That seat I'm sitting in is *paid for*, and I expect a product (a decent education) to be delivered, as long as I fulfill my part of the contract. Wether or not it's the right time of life for me to be in nursing school or not, is none of the instructor's concern. I am 55 years old and I have a 25 year-old son who's older than most of the students here. I am perfectly capable of deciding when I can or can't go to nursing school, and once I've made the decision, I expect to be treated honorably and fairly.
Vito Andolini said:I don't think it is necessarily the instructor's fault if a student fails. Plenty of students are quite able to fail all by themselves.part of being paid to be an Instructor involves weeding out those students who are not meeting school requirements. Some students don't do the necessary work, some have attendance or tardiness problems, some cheat, some do not do the necessary preparation prior to Clinicals, some have too much going on outside of school and don't study enough, and so forth. There ARE some students who are in school at the wrong time in their lives or who should not be in N. School at all. Yeah, there are some psycho Instructors, too.
I really dispise the term "weeding out the bad students". I agree with some of what you said, but to me this was the "right time" for me to go back to school. Family, husband or not I was so ready to be that nurse I had always wanted to be.
I had little kids and when I taught them something I let them make mistakes, that is what it's all about. So to me, in class, was that place to make mistakes to prevent them later. No one is born knowing how to be a nurse. It takes years to "hone that log" Therefore no teacher should expect perfection from any student. If we knew how to be a nurse, there would be no need in attending school for this.
Nursing is a whole different language from any subject I had ever taken school prior to this time. It takes time to learn the language. And as we go from day to day we can't help but improve. But if a teacher beats a person down in the beginning that teacher/boss is broken and doubt sets in on the student.
Admit it, "A TEACHER CAN MAKE YOU OR BREAK YOU". I am 55 yo. I know what I am talking about!
Go on Rae, you are going 2 b a fantastic nurse. I had a similar situation when I was in RN school, I was in nursing 2 and that particular professor was on my tail, she even went as far as telline me I was not ready for patient care one clinical morning. She had another instructor come in to follow me around on another clinical day, and that clinical instructor told her and me that I was doing a great job and will be a fantastic nurse some day. That is when I got a break from her. I went on to nursing 3 and all her pets repeated the semester.
PS. I kept her cell # on my list and I did give her a call after I did the NCLEX and passed. When they treat u like that I think is bcause they r threatened by the possibility that u r going 2 b a better nurse than they were. Keep your head high, and do what u love with passion. I will be doing the same and routing for u in the mean time. (hhooo)
I also had a bad experience with an instructor. I have 15 yrs experience in the medical field as a paramedic. I decided that I wanted to be a nurse after filling in in our ER as a tech to pick up overtime. I found out that I loved taking care of patients. You know when something becomes so clear to you in an instant? I loved nursing!!!!! I enrolled in the local technical college right away. I found the clinicals to be a little tedious, and the care plans!!! Oh don't get me started on those 25 page epics that were required for each patient!! But, I did what I had to do and tried to stay under the radar, cuz I knew that if the intructors knew you had a strong medical background that they would be looking for any little thing. My classmates came to me if they had questions or needed a hand with something and I was glad to help out. Sometimes they would come to me before the instructors. I guess so they wouldn't look bad in the instructors eyes. I was glad to help. Well, close to the end of my second semester I had an intructor who seemed very nice, wanted to be friendly with all her students. She was evaluating me give an injection to a 450 lb. female. As I got into the room I realized that somehow a 1 inch needle had been put into the bin marked 5/8 needles. The needles had opaque caps on them so I couldn't see it before I uncapped it. This was to be a SQ injection in the abdomen. I looked at the instructor and indicated that I realized the needle was the wrong size, but then we looked at each other and the patients abdomen size, and the instructor nodded her head. Remember this patient was morbidly obese. I gave the injection, without using the entire length of the needle (I did not want the patient to lose confidence in the people giving her care by walking out of the room) and everything worked out. The instructor pulled me aside afterward and said that what happened shouldn't have happened. I agreed with her, but then she stated that given the patient's size, no harm was done. She told me that she sees the bigger picture and that she knows that I will make a good nurse one day. Well THREE days later she calls me into her office along with Department Chair to tell me she re-thought her decision to "overlook such a hazardous mistake" and that I will be dismissed from the program for putting a patient's life in danger. I was speechless!!!! Not only did she sit in that patient's room and watch me give that injection, she said that she would let it go because the patient came to no harm. Now I readily admit that it was the wrong needle, and had the patient not been 450 lbs. I would have made an excuse to leave the room and change the needle, but to kick me out of the program for something she allowed me to do was unbelievable. She had told the Department Chair the she did not get a close look at the needle until after the injection. It was her word against mine, and guess who they believed. She even had the nerve to tell me that perhaps I should choose another profession, that maybe nursing wasn't for me. I was completely devastated. I was inconsolable for days. I could not get into another RN program until the following year. If I did not make a fuss, I could apply to the LPN program the next semester.
During the next few weeks trying to decide what to do next, I saw Excelsior College on the internet. Enrolled, took all 8 theory exams in 4 months, then completed the CPNE just this past weekend! I am now a graduate RN waiting to take state boards, 3 months ahead of where I would have been. I will attend my classmates' pinning ceremony hoping to see this instructor just to tell her that perhaps she should consider another career!!!! She is one to prove the old saying "those who cannot do; teach". For someone to abuse their position like that is atrocious! People who have theopportunity to make or break people's very dreams should use some sensitivity when they know that they are crushing someones' hope. I don't like to use the word "hate", but I truly hate that woman for using her "christian" morals as an excuse to change her mind about what she felt was something "she just couldn't live with" just sickens me. But now I am what she said I couldn't be despite what she did.
Vito Andolini
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I don't think it is necessarily the instructor's fault if a student fails. Plenty of students are quite able to fail all by themselves.
part of being paid to be an Instructor involves weeding out those students who are not meeting school requirements. Some students don't do the necessary work, some have attendance or tardiness problems, some cheat, some do not do the necessary preparation prior to Clinicals, some have too much going on outside of school and don't study enough, and so forth. There ARE some students who are in school at the wrong time in their lives or who should not be in N. School at all. Yeah, there are some psycho Instructors, too.