How would Medicare for all affect nursing?

[Emergent]

There's talk and hope in many quarters that the United States will end up with Medicare for all. How would this affect nursing?

I currently pay a lot for my portion of high deductible insurance through work. It's basically mainly useless to me since I'm healthy, don't take meds etc. Even going to the doctor would cost me.

Honestly, the middle class has become the new underserved in America. Frugal, responsible people think twice about going to the doctor because of huge copays that have made basic healthcare a budget buster.

How would Medicare for all affect the middle class, nursing in particular? Employers would no longer have to pay for insurance. Would they pass savings on to us in the form of higher wages? How would we fare economically with higher taxes? Would the poor government compensation to facilities drive down wages?

[osceteacher]

18 minutes ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Oh.

So now we are going to "force" Doctors to take Medicare now?

That would indeed be a case that goes in front of the Supreme court.

Somewhat like telling a person that he or she MUST sell a product, with a certain amount that we (government) establishes.

Wow. Just, wow.

It just never ends, does it?

Again, focus on the part: money in vs money out.

money out > money in?

never will be a good result.

I can't imagine living in a world so scary that doctors having to treat patients is such a worry.

Number 1 cause of bankruptcy is health care costs.

20,000+ people a year die due to no healthcare.

Worst healthcare costs as a GDP in the world by twice as much.

Insurance companies profiting off of ill health.

Compensation culture.

30 million people not getting healthcare due to a lack of insurance.

Wow, just, wow.

It just never ends does it?

Money in vs money out. You spend 34 trillion on healthcare already vs spending 32 trillion on medicare for all.

Seems like a good result.

Is this dead horse not going to move!

[KonichiwaRN]

24 minutes ago, osceteacher said:

I can't imagine living in a world so scary that doctors having to treat patients is such a worry.

Number 1 cause of bankruptcy is health care costs.

20,000+ people a year die due to no healthcare.

Worst healthcare costs as a GDP in the world by twice as much.

Insurance companies profiting off of ill health.

Compensation culture.

30 million people not getting healthcare due to a lack of insurance.

Wow, just, wow.

It just never ends does it?

Money in vs money out. You spend 34 trillion on healthcare already vs spending 32 trillion on medicare for all.

Seems like a good result.

Is this dead horse not going to move!

Again note this point.

"How are you going to pay for it?" "How will you FORCE Doctors to accept the set-pay rate for diagnosis or treatment?"

Taxing the rich? You better pass another law then. "Rich people cannot move out from the nation."

You see where this is going? Oh right. I became an American for it "used" to be a nation that exercised freedom, liberty, and justice.

Nah. This is why I'm against the Medicare for all..unless everyone contributes to the coffer. That is, the money bank. The last time I heard, almost half of the Americans don't pay income taxes. Do they?

"The Tax Policy Center has updated its estimate of the percentage of Americans who pay no federal individual income taxes. And the number is: 44 percent in 2018—about 2 percentage points above last year (taxpolicycenter, 2018)."

So let me use my dosage calculation skills. 56% of the Americans, are supporting 44% of the Americans. And now you want to further increase spending that will no doubt, need legislature that

a) forces doctors to accept Medicare

b) forces Americans to stay in this nation.

How do I know this? Just look at how the rich & successful people of British Hong Kong, and now, Hong Kong China has acted.

They're mostly living here or in Canada. ?

[nursej22, MSN, RN]

43 minutes ago, KonichiwaRN said:

How will you FORCE Doctors to accept the set-pay rate for diagnosis or treatment?

I am not sure why you keep saying that Medicare for all will force doctors to accept Medicare. Many already accept Medicare. And this bill will not restrict doctors from accepting private pay.

Taxing the rich? You better pass another law then. "Rich people cannot move out from the nation."

What does this mean? People can and do move to other countries. Whether they can or cannot depends on the immigration laws of the countries they move to.

"The Tax Policy Center has updated its estimate of the percentage of Americans who pay no federal individual income taxes. And the number is: 44 percent in 2018—about 2 percentage points above last year (taxpolicycenter, 2018)."

Why don't you look up how many corporations are paying taxes? Also, many people who are not paying taxes are children, disabled, and retirees. Or, they are barely making enough to get by. I suppose you think people should lose their homes or just stop eating so they can pay income tax.

Medicare for All would be funded by premiums already being paid by employees, employers and people with private plans.

[KonichiwaRN]

Just now, nursej22 said:

Medicare for All would be funded by premiums already being paid by employees, employers and people with private plans.

And please do include, exactly how much "premiums" we, the taxpayers are paying into that "coffer for all."

And what is the forecast increase? It WILL increase.

Like I said. Do whatever you guys like to do. Just don't raise our income taxes. We already pay more than enough.

I should know. I can't believe this nation's income taxes are higher than China or Japan.

[OUxPhys, BSN, RN]

7 minutes ago, KonichiwaRN said:

And please do include, exactly how much "premiums" we, the taxpayers are paying into that "coffer for all."

And what is the forecast increase? It WILL increase.

Like I said. Do whatever you guys like to do. Just don't raise our income taxes. We already pay more than enough.

I should know. I can't believe this nation's income taxes are higher than China or Japan.

I dont think income tax would be raised. Alot of people are saying what they pay now for insurance could go towards the medicare for all plan (on top of what everyone is automatically paying into medicare now). Taxes would be raised on the folks with more money.

[guest974915]

Disagree strongly that it can't be done! Again, there's the U.S.'s highly bloated defense spending-nearly 3 times that of all other NATO countries combined and accounting for 1/3rd of all federal spending! Added to that, there's US foreign aid in the form of economic and military assistance to developing countries. Trimming these out of control expenditures that only serve to make wealthy those at the top of the military-industrial complex, would be one viable means of funding such an ambitious plan as this!

[KonichiwaRN]

6 minutes ago, OUxPhys said:

I dont think income tax would be raised. Alot of people are saying what they pay now for insurance could go towards the medicare for all plan (on top of what everyone is automatically paying into medicare now). Taxes would be raised on the folks with more money.

Allow me to use a weird example.

Stores. The brick & mortar structures that sell goods such as T shirts, or food items.

Do you know that they already marked up their prices, to cover their loss from theft? We are all paying for it.

My personal opinion on why the health care costs of our nation is so high, is that there is "easy money to be gained." But that's another story.

I'd like to use an example. Lasik surgeries. Compare the personnel involved, its costs..and compare that to a similar procedure that "we (taxpayers)" cover the cost for.

[KonichiwaRN]

3 minutes ago, morelostthanfound said:

Disagree strongly that it can't be done! Again, there's the U.S.'s highly bloated defense spending-nearly 3 times that of all other NATO countries combined and accounting for 1/3rd of all federal spending! Added to that, there's US foreign aid in the form of economic and military assistance to developing countries. Trimming these out of control expenditures that only serve to make wealthy those at the top of the military-industrial complex, would be one viable means of funding such an ambitious plan as this!

Hey. I agree with you there.

I'm all for the "let's bring back all our troops, and stop funding foreign nations with our tax dollars."

Then, let's see if we can make Medicare for all of our citizens into a reality or not.

[OUxPhys, BSN, RN]

13 minutes ago, KonichiwaRN said:

Allow me to use a weird example.

Stores. The brick & mortar structures that sell goods such as T shirts, or food items.

Do you know that they already marked up their prices, to cover their loss from theft? We are all paying for it.

My personal opinion on why the health care costs of our nation is so high, is that there is "easy money to be gained." But that's another story.

I'd like to use an example. Lasik surgeries. Compare the personnel involved, its costs..and compare that to a similar procedure that "we (taxpayers)" cover the cost for.

You already pay for it with health insurance. You are covering people you have never met.

[KonichiwaRN]

Just now, OUxPhys said:

You already pay for it with health insurance. You are covering people you have never met.

And like I said, it will drive OUR insurance premiums up.

Why are you trying to "force" me to pay more?

[OUxPhys, BSN, RN]

5 minutes ago, KonichiwaRN said:

And like I said, it will drive OUR insurance premiums up.

Why are you trying to "force" me to pay more?

With one insurance company (the government) how would you be paying more? There would be no premiums.

[KonichiwaRN]

19 minutes ago, OUxPhys said:

With one insurance company (the government) how would you be paying more? There would be no premiums.

Oh, so now you are "forcing" private insurance companies to go out of business? (another subject) There goes competition even more! Poof! Monopoly.

Anyways:

We pay taxes. Income taxes. We already pay a LOT of it.

It will increase the taxes even more, and also drive up the costs even higher.

Name a single thing that came out from "universal anything," that didn't end up with higher taxes. Anything. And what happens if you drive taxes up for -insert whatever reason here-?

You punish the middle class. The 1% couldn't care less. You guys are trying to punish "us," the climbers of the ladder called society's income-based hierarchy, by raising our income tax rates.

And guess what will happen? We should know. What happens microscopically, will happen in a macroscopic way.

Example. New Jersey. Real estate tax rates. (reason = education in their case) Result: New Jersey population influx (in versus out).

Why do you think there is such a business & population influx boom in states like Texas or Florida?