How Long Did It Take To Have A Good Grasp of MDS/RNAC Job?

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Been at my new job as RNAC/MDS nurse for not quite 6 weeks now. Still feeling QUITE out of my element. I have been an RN for 17 years, the vast majority of my experience being as a floor nurse in a small acute care hospital. My prior LTC experience was only having worked as a CNA during high school and college in a nursing home, and filling in just a little at a nursing home in our prior town as an RN when they were short of help, basically as a favor to the DON there who kind of hounded me to do it. At the time, i didn't particularly want to, because I already had a full-time job, and a family, but I of course can't say no, and felt bad for them. We did, however, have swing bed patients at the hospital at times, so I had an awareness of what MDS was, its purpose, and what they looked like. And why we had things that had to be done by certain days. O.K.

Applied for MDS position in the new town we moved to, initially because the local hospital had no openings, but upon researching it, thought, well, this is a chance for me to learn a TOTALLY new skill, how interesting and exciting this will be. Had my interview, sent in my references, visited the facility. I really like the administrator....she is very sweet. Facility seemed clean and okay. Was offered the job, a cut in pay, but I was okay with that. Reassured that I would be given three months of one on one training, by the current MDS nurse, who I get along with smashingly well, who is very knowledgeable and intelligent, but who having just graduated from RN school, was interested in doing other things, too. In theory, even after training me, she would still be with me 1-2 times a week, as well as going to the corporate branch office forty miles away once a week, and going to some other area homes helping them get their MDS and care plans on track and caught up, kind of a consultant. Also, there is training with a corporate consultant, who I have contact with several times a week, and webex classes. Peachy, right? My schedule would be Monday-Friday, 35-40 hours or slightly more in busy times, each week. No call. Manager on duty rotates, generally being about once every 6-8 weeks, and occasionally helping with lunch or supper trays. OK. Maybe in an emergency, helping on the floor or whatnot...but not expected to work the floor and try to somehow squeeze everything else in.

Reality check.

By the first weekend, due to being short of help, I was filling in on the floor, but as an aide, because there basically isn't enough help to train me to the med cart (since there has been a recent pharmacy change, no more pill cards or casettes, even the experienced folks are struggling). That's okay. As long as it isn't taking up all my learning and MDS time.

So far, I'm generally working the floor at least once a week. Usually, it's on a weekend. It varies, though...sometimes, it's stay on after and work 6-10. Sometimes, 2-10. Sometimes, 10-6, and the worst, coming in in the middle of the night. I'm kind of between a rock and a hard place; if the DON asks me to, I don't have much choice, but then I get in trouble with the corporate lady for not being in the office 40 hours, because I had to go home and sleep.

Then, they pulled my lady who is training me. Currently, I get her 1-2 days a week, and the rest of the time, she is pulled to the floor or sent to other facilities. I'm still doing my calls and stuff, and classes, and have literally read the entire RAI manual, but I'm anxious. There is alot I don't understand...mostly, the COT, EOT, and SOTassessments, and the rules for combining them in order to reap the most financial benefit possible. The trainings, I feel, are above my head....I generally am not stupid; but I really have to be shown or told what to do at least once, and maybe up to three or four times, before I understand it. I feel like I have been thrown into calculus without algebra first. Am I smart enough to do calculus? Sure. But first, I need algebra, geometry, and trig... I have expressed my distress to the corporate lady, who I suppose thinks I'm stupid by now, and says, "Well, you aren't going to have tge other lady there to hold your hand forever." Well, I know that, but I need her for a bit still. Is it normal? Or do most people pick up on it a lot sooner?

Then, I hate when I am not told I am supposed to do things, and don't know. The medical records lady told me I'm supposed to do the certs, but the lady training me says medical records has always done them. I will, but I have to know. Then, I don't even have computer access to do them. But I guess if they don't get sent in or signed and back, it's my fault? The SSD has always I guess called families for care plan meetings, and told me she does, but then she didn't, and I was told it's my responsibility. But if I ask if I'm supposed to do it, they get mad.

The constant short of help thing is depressing. I've said I would be willing to come in on the weekend to work on my stuff like every third or fourth weekend so they have 8 hours/day of RN coverage. But then, I will end up having to work the floor, and be in trouble for not getting my stuff done.

I'm comfortable with the assessments, fairly comfortable with doing the MDS forms, because I have my book right there with me, and if I don't find the answer, I will search it out. I can review the charts for information, do my interviews, etc. I have a beginning-rough knowledge of when to set my ARD dates and when the time frames are, and have obtained a wheel. But as far as combining assessments, COT and anything else in particular, and RUG levels....oh my, no.

Another thing is, I seem to have some kind of issue with PT/OT. Every day, we go over the dates and how people are doing, etc. Bt I swear to God, EVERY time I am told someone is going off Medicare A or B, and I can confirm exactly what is goung on five times in a day...the day AFTER I call and issue a denial letter, they tell me they decided to keep them on. This has happened so far I believe six times. ..then, I have to call and say, oh sorry about that call yesterday...throw that stuff away now...oh, now we picked them up for one day, now I have to call again. Yippee!

I was literally in tears the other day, Monday I guess, because we had a lady getting ST but almost out of days...issued a denial Friday, when I arrive Monday, the PT reams me out for not calling to tell her the patient fell Sunday night about 8 pm, and had to get stitches (yes, i was there, of course). So they are not releasing her. I call the corporate to find out what to do cause she is no longer ST; now, she will be OT...I think...I'm in trouble and going to have to amend it...but God smiled down on me, somehow it didn't go out with the other mail in the box over the weekend, so I was able to intercept it. Still. And, it almost happened again...the OT emailed me he was discharging a part B patient 6/9...so I would have issued a denial letter tomorrow....but he told the lady training me he was keeping her another week...and she said this, I said, "uh oh, that's not what my email said!" and so it got caught.

And everyone is so snarky. I feel set up frequently...I don't know why, or even how it will happen...but I am on guard, especially when my lady who trains me isn't there.

Don't get me wrong, there are some people I really like, but there are some I feel nervous around. I find the work interesting, if I could only be trained more. It's definitely new and challenging, but I don't know about all the other.

Is it normal to be still quite unsure of myself after a bit over a month? I am trying my best to not give up. Am I just dumber than normal? The lady who trains me says I am doing fine, but maybe she just doesn't want to hurt my feelings. (not sure why, as it doesn't bother anyone else lol...sometimes, it seems they enjoy it). I'm willing and have even suggested I could take the class, as soon as I learn more, and I will even pay for it, gladly. Or is it best to just give up? I don't want to, but I feel so unsteady and like I need guidance, and like everyone thinks it's no big deal and why can't I just figure it out?

Specializes in Med/surg.

Possibly, one day, they'll learn. Apparently, I'm the third one ran off so far, with the exception of the lady training me, who has done it in between, and is good at it, but doesn't particularly want to do it, and never did in the first place.

All of the "management team" is quite new, having been there at most six months. The mds lady training me is for some reason, not "management". She has been there part time in one role or another, depending where theyre short, for a couple years.

Specializes in Clinical Documentation Specialist, LTC.

Michelle, I am so sorry your first experience with MDS was so awful. I used to enjoy my job as a MDS Nurse until four months ago. That whole experience completely ruined it for me because of the lack of support and being written up for mistakes made before I was hired on. I too was the third MDS nurse they had run off. I stuck it out for two months and just couldn't stand it anymore. I now work in a large family medical clinic, and although it is stressful, it is a different kind of stress.

If you truly want to learn MDS 3.0, I pray you find a place where you will get the support and help you need from all sides.

P.S. I got a call last Friday from an Administrator who wants to talk to me about doing MDS in her facility. I am seriously going to pray about it.

Specializes in Med/surg.

Thanks for your sweet words, friend.

It truly is the most bizarre experience I have ever had. I would say 'in a work setting', but to be honest, it's the strangest, most horrible experience I can remember having offhand. I mean, obviously other than deaths, etc. It is the strangest, most upsetting thing I've ever had that I can't figure out the reason behind it, or think of anything I could have done to cause it. That, i think, is the bad thing. I mean, if we were in high school and I had slept with one of their boyfriends, it would make some sense. Or, you know, something like that. But seriously....we are talking 35-45 year old women. Whom I've never known before, and whom I've never done anything to. In fact, whom I've been nice to.

Then (because they all run together), when I was going to leave, and the administrator called the DON in to ask about what on earth was this even sort of about, the DON starts defending them, saying that I am kind of standoffish because I am always either in my office, in with a patient, or up at the nurses station going through charts or talking with the nurses and aides. But I am not social with the office folks much. Huh?? That's beca use I am working! I am plenty sociable. I chat with the people who come in my office all the time, while I'm working. I chat with the nurses and aides and patients when I'm on the floor. Ive gone out for lunch with my office mate, and had plans to go out for lunch with another this week. I often have a patient in my office hanging out while I'm working. Yes, I'm shy around new people, and don't interject myself into conversations. But I always smile and say hi, and respond to anyone who talks to me. I mean, is this really a problem?? Well, she says, at stand up, I sometimes don't sit up at the table and will be in a chair in the back with my notebook writing. I reminded her that if the table is full, everyone sits off to the side at times, and I don't feel comfortable telling someone else to move...I am still actively participating in the conversation, so is this really a big deal? Then, she recalled that the other day, I came in almost late, about five minutes before stand up, and seemed in a bad mood....were there problems at home, maybe? I said, no, don't think so, and if you will recall, I came in and said, sorry, guys, I couldn't get my truck out of 4wd, so I had to go back and get my SUV....i was a little stressed over that, but seriously, I was laughing. Was it a big deal, really? Well, she wondered if there were "problems at home" is all...I said, hardly....we are very happy, we have a beautiful home, and the kids are coming to visit next week.

I am baffled at how this is going to turn around and somehow be my fault.

I called in sick today....I called the lady training me....she is furious with them....the sick isn't a lie, either...I have been so worked up I puked and have a horrible headache. She is there today, so will handle any new MDS things that may have arisen over the weekend...we should be totally caught up....i sent denial letters Friday, and don't have any assessments due til the end of the week. They are all partially done. She is supposed to work the floor tomorrow, I told her I will try. She wants me to stay but I don't know. She suggested whether I do or not, that i report it to corporate, and that we remain friends even if i leave.

I ambsorry you had a dreadful experience, too. It is psychologically and emotionally devastating. I really hope this kind of behavior isn't becoming the norm. It's certainly not a healthy environment, when you are too upset and stressed to focus on work, and where something so ridiculous can be the cause of so much stress.

Specializes in Med/surg.

I, too, will pray for you to be guided to make the right decision for you. (((((hugs))))

Specializes in Clinical Documentation Specialist, LTC.

(((HUGS))) back. It sounds to me like a bunch of junior high mean kids wanting to drag another victim into their clique, then pout and talk nasty about you if you don't want to get sucked in. Seriously? You don't sit at the table with them or hang out? Sounds to me like you're doing your job and they are not. What a bunch of immature children!

If you think you can stick it out, then go in with your head held high and be the best darned MDS nurse they've ever had. If you can't stand it any longer, then that's very understandable. Maybe the powers that be will get a clue and get rid of the troublemakers if they run you off too.

Well. to answer your original question, I have been doing MDSs for about 11 years, and I still get lost and stuck at times. There is always something new to learn. Recently I have been offered (and have accepted) a regional position, which I will start next week. I also recently moved to a new area, and was amazed at how much bullying there is at the two jobs I have had over the last year. I actually performed a SEAL TEAM 6 in both buildings, the first one having 400 late assessments that were federally required to be done within a 6 week window. (I actually finished the last one with 12 hours to spare, but I been doin this awhile.) The culture of nursing has changed a lot since I got my cap in 1974, and the level of professionalism has slipped a lot. I have witnessed so much of what you describe that I am truly saddened.

I am an "old hippie" so I don't wear makeup or put chemicals on my hair or nails, so that put me at a distinct disadvantage at one place I worked. When I saw the other MDS coordinator for the first time, I actually thought she was going to be in a play or stage performance (for real) until I saw her made up that way the next day, and the next, etc. She couldn't get enough of jabbing at the way I look. And I totally get being too busy to "socialize." I put in 60 hours a week saving them from federal disaster, and I told them right up front if you need a nurse manager, don't hire me, coz I don't do the floor. End of story. The first time they pulled that out of their "hats" I said I would call the state board unless they wanted to put me through a full orientation for floor nursing. I haven't passed meds in 5 years, so they dropped that and never ask again. (they never offer to orient you to the floor, they only ask you to work it when they are in danger of having to do it themselves.)

The only advice I can give you is that if you have actually resigned, you have to leave. Ask for a corporate exit interview. Drive the bus right over where they are laying in the road begging for it. If you stay after you have threatened to resign, you will regret it forever, and they will get rid of you on their own schedule, instead of yours.

Specializes in Med/surg.

I am absolutely speechless that you were able to complete 400 late assessments in that length of time! You truly must be VERY skilled to be able to have done this, and my hat is off to you. I find that just incredible. Really....they should be hiring you to train people into this. Seriously. That is just beyond my comprehension! I am just....WOW. You are a freaking rockstar, in my opinion! :woot:

Specializes in Med/surg.

And yes, what is even up with this catty, obnoxious behavior? And why in the world is it tolerated, and even encouraged?

I have never gone to work in my life acting like it was a fashion show. I usually wear scrubs, my hair up in a ponytail because I get hot when it is down on my neck. Light, if any makeup. My wedding set. Occasionally, i will wear slacks and a blouse, or maybe a sweater set when it was cooler weather.

I'm quite aware that I am forty and don't look like I did at twenty. I'm overweight. I've got freckles. I am incapable of looking really "smartly dressed and put together", because I'm one of those women that their clothes wrinkle, they snag their pantyhose, and when they walk in heels, they trip. My teeth aren't perfect. If I wear cheap jewelry, it turns my skin green. I'm not glamourous. But really, it's not THAT bad. I am clean, it's not like I'm a disgusting pig. I wear deodorant and brush my teeth. I don't wear ratty clothes. I mean, my husband still thinks I'm okay. I would imagine if I were single, I could pick up a guy at a bar easily enough. But I'm aware I'm not breathtakingly gorgeous, and I already have a shaky enough sense of self esteem. I also already felt stupid, because it is totally different than what I'm used to, so it's hard not to take people saying I'm stupid personally.

I have just never encountered such behavior, I hope and pray it is not becoming the norm. I thought we were all supposed to build each other up and encourage each other, not rip each other to shreds.

Specializes in corrections and LTC.

You do not have to work there. Unfortunately some places are filled with toxic people, and they feed off of each other, including administration. If you give notice you are a better person than I am.

I am curious about your situation. I have an interview coming up for an MDS position. I was told that the position was split between MDS and floor hours. Not sure that this is the greatest idea, however it is a small, rural nursing home. After reading the comments in this thread, I'm a little scared!

Specializes in MDS/ UR.

I would advise you to do your due diligence.

Specializes in MDS.

I would suggest that you get out of there. The place sounds highly disfunctional.

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