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How do i keep these cuny schools fro stealing an extra year our of my life??

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After being out of school for many years ,I decided to go back to school fall 2016. I just finished my first semester at Kingsborough Community College. My main interest is nursing so i aimed for the pre-reqs and completed intro to psych, english 1, intro to sociology and a remedial math (intermediate algebra) that i had to take to be eligible to take bio classes ... Somehow i managed to pull 3 A's and a high grade on the remedial math putting me at a 4.0.

The remedial math put a semester behind to take bio (A&P 1) and now they are saying i wont be able to apply to take the teas v unless i take a Sci 2500 class , which i can only take in a regular semester after i complete A&p 1. Then i would have only a possibility of getting in the nursing program spring of 2018 ......

I was going to take statistics math and intro to literature class over a 7 week winter to knock out some bsn pre reqs . But the idea of doing a year and a half before i can even attempt to get into a 2 year programs seems ridiculous.

Would is make sense to transfer out in spring to another program that doesn't require the sci 2500 ...like medgar evers or bmcc?? and if i don't make the cut for that fall class, transfer back in and complete the the sci 2500 in fall? I dont know anyone that wet through a nyc nursing so i am short on advice. any suggestions would help, thank you.

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You have to balance cost with inconvience.

Have patience.

A small detour in your timeline won't kill you.

You must realise there are a lot of people out there in a similiar situation with 10x the debt-load.

And don't worry, nursing isn't going anywhere.

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I have to thank you for that. The process has me so anxious to get through it that i didn't think to look at it that way. your response is most appreciated.

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That year is going to fly by trust me! I don't think it will make sense to transfer, when you transfer that's a set back too, I say stick it out at KCC (coming from a pass student of medgar evers, who transferred and is a current student at bmcc). Medgar evers college has wayyy more pre-reqs and bmcc is basically the same as KCC. PLUS from my experience ANP classes are not transferable between CUNY colleges, they always want you to take their version of ANP (I could be wrong), there's no short cut so stick to it you're doing a great job thus far! Keep it up and Good luck on your nursing journey!!:)

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That year is going to fly by trust me! I don't think it will make sense to transfer, when you transfer that's a set back too, I say stick it out at KCC (coming from a pass student of medgar evers, who transferred and is a current student at bmcc). Medgar evers college has wayyy more pre-reqs and bmcc is basically the same as KCC. PLUS from my experience ANP classes are not transferable between CUNY colleges, they always want you to take their version of ANP (I could be wrong), there's no short cut so stick to it you're doing a great job thus far! Keep it up and Good luck on your nursing journey!!:)

Thank you so much. My considerations were Medgar Evers or BMCC ,my only concern about bmcc was the commute. i wish you well on your journey at bmcc.

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Welcome to the world of post high school (college or university) education. *LOL*

Everything follows a hierarchy, has prerequisites, and so forth. Unless you can find a way to challenge an exam or whatever there is nothing else to do but go with the flow.

Years ago before CUNY and SUNY school records weren't so heavily computerized it was easier to "push" one's way into a class regardless of not having completed required prerequisites. My finite math teacher came into class several weeks into the semester and read off a list given to him by the department chair. Apparently the computers matched up the class roster of students against those who had or had not completed required college level algebra classes, or had passed incoming placement exams with a high enough score to bypass.

Some kids went down to the office, others remained for the entire semester, took finals and received credit for course. Today don't think that is possible.

You are not alone; a large percentage of CUNY students (especially at community colleges) need one or more semester of remedial math and or English before being able to take 100 level courses. Yes, this is going to push back any plans for a fast degree (knew someone who spent over *two* years taking remedial work before she got anywhere near 100 level math/English), but as mentioned options are few.

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Welcome to the world of post high school (college or university) education. *LOL*

Everything follows a hierarchy, has prerequisites, and so forth. Unless you can find a way to challenge an exam or whatever there is nothing else to do but go with the flow.

Years ago before CUNY and SUNY school records weren't so heavily computerized it was easier to "push" one's way into a class regardless of not having completed required prerequisites. My finite math teacher came into class several weeks into the semester and read off a list given to him by the department chair. Apparently the computers matched up the class roster of students against those who had or had not completed required college level algebra classes, or had passed incoming placement exams with a high enough score to bypass.

Some kids went down to the office, others remained for the entire semester, took finals and received credit for course. Today don't think that is possible.

You are not alone; a large percentage of CUNY students (especially at community colleges) need one or more semester of remedial math and or English before being able to take 100 level courses. Yes, this is going to push back any plans for a fast degree (knew someone who spent over *two* years taking remedial work before she got anywhere near 100 level math/English), but as mentioned options are few.

2 years for a remedial?? Sheesh. i passed my remedial math. but the additional "prereqs of the prereqs" are killing me. now there's going 3rd semester for just to get 1 class. But if this is the way things are now, i guess i just have bite the bullet. Thank you very much for the response.

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2 years for a remedial?? Sheesh. i passed my remedial math. but the additional "prereqs of the prereqs" are killing me. now there's going 3rd semester for just to get 1 class. But if this is the way things are now, i guess i just have bite the bullet. Thank you very much for the response.

What can I tell you? *LOL*

IIRC she failed one or more remedial classes, had excessive absences, took time off......

Think finally financial aid came into play due to low GPA.

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2 years for a remedial?? Sheesh. i passed my remedial math. but the additional "prereqs of the prereqs" are killing me. now there's going 3rd semester for just to get 1 class. But if this is the way things are now, i guess i just have bite the bullet. Thank you very much for the response.

Looking at things; SCI 5000 seems to be an intro to Chemistry and Physics classed geared towards nursing and other "applied" health sciences. Pre-med and other students call such nursing related science courses "chemistry for weenies". *LOL* There often is a huge difference between normal college level chemistry and physics classes (especially for pre-med, pharmacy, etc...) and that for nurses/applied sciences.

Almost every CUNY pre-nursing sequence has some sort of chemistry/physics requirement. Some want general chemistry, others have special general and organic chemistry just for nursing/allied health majors. Either way you need some background in chemistry (and to a certain extent physics) to understand physiology, pharmacology and a few other areas. There is and has been for ages debate about just how much of these subjects a professional nurse needs to know, but we're not on that right now.

That SCI 2500 isn't given over the summer at KBCC isn't a huge issue if you truly want to get it over with. Just find another college that is offering, take it, then transfer the credit back to KBCC. The course or its equal is offered by almost every other CUNY college. Key thing is to make absolutely sure KBCC nursing considers the course as such and will accept the transferred credit.

TIPPS -- College Courses Guide - Evaluation

For the record nursing and other college majors do this all the time. Know of pre-nursing students who took A&P I or II over the summer or winter where ever they could. People also do this when faced with classes they need being full and or otherwise unavailable. This especially applies to science classes with labs where professors and or department heads are reluctant to give over tally permission due to lack of space.

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Please don't waste your time with this school or any other CUNY school. I'm speaking to you from experience. I also went to BMCC did all their required courses but didn't get into their Nursing program. I didn't waste anymore time, enrolled into LPN program in Jersey city, worked as LPN for a few years, enrolled into RN school in another state. It was a LPN-RN online program, took 1 year to complete and now I'll be sitting for my RN boards this month. I'm 29 years old and 10 years ago I enrolled into BMCC. Please don't waste your time. Everything is possible. It seems like it's so hard to get into these classes. Yes, the tuition is cheaper but just think about all the money you're losing due to the wait. The schools I attended were private but I eventually paid them off while I was working as LPN .Sky's the limit!

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I literally got all my credits to graduate with an associates in liberal arts before they let me in the nursing program. Just starting my second nursing semester this spring. 4 years to get a 2 year degree because of how they stagger classes and refuse to give certain classes in the shorter semesters. The school is literally set up to make you take prereqs over a year, before being able to get into the nursing program. If you need any remedial, add another semester.

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On 2/28/2019 at 10:39 AM, MrShepNYC said:

I literally got all my credits to graduate with an associates in liberal arts before they let me in the nursing program. Just starting my second nursing semester this spring. 4 years to get a 2 year degree because of how they stagger classes and refuse to give certain classes in the shorter semesters. The school is literally set up to make you take prereqs over a year, before being able to get into the nursing program. If you need any remedial, add another semester.

Yup, that's CUNY community colleges.  They make you jump through hoops on purpose because of the demand.  It stinks! The problem with transferring is some CUNY c.c. nursing programs discourage applicants who did pre-nursing classes elsewhere by making you take them over again even if it was at another CUNY.  If you got enough for an Associates consider the four year programs at private schools.  It might be more expensive but less headaches.  

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