How come there are no CRNA schools in Indiana?

loveanesthesia · Aug 1, 2008

There are CRNAs in Indiana, in fact I think the President Elect of the AANA is from Indiana. It is not perceived of as a CRNA 'friendly' state. One of the historically powerful anesthesiologists-I think it is Robert Stoelting-(of all those anesthesia text books) is/was antiCRNA and had a lot of influence in the state. Most of the CRNAs there are in rural areas and the number per population is comparitively low.

amiandjim · Aug 2, 2008

There are no CRNA schools in Indiana b/c it has traditionally been a fairly CRNA "unfriendly" state. However, you can practice in Indiana as a CRNA and there are quite a few jobs available (go look at gaswork.com sometime). I think there are something like 200 CRNAs working in Indiana right now, but who knows what the future will hold. With reimbursement decreasing and healthcare costs increasing, I would imagine that more and more hospitals will look into CRNAs as opposed to the all MD model that many of them use now. The incoming AANA president is a CRNA from Indianapolis who does pain management for a neurosurgery group, as well as works OB in one of the smaller hospitals in Indianapolis.

skipaway · Aug 2, 2008

One of the historically powerful anesthesiologists-I think it is Robert Stoelting-(of all those anesthesia text books) is/was antiCRNA and had a lot of influence in the state..

Interestingly, Robert Stoelting's daughter is a CRNA. His anti-CRNA stances are legendary.

transplant_nurse · Oct 3, 2008

As I was once told by a organ transplant surgeon, the primary "barrier" in Indiana is that Indiana University is heavily touted as one of the largest/best anesthesia programs in the country. IU Medical Center (in Indy where the medical school is located) is the only genuine teaching hospital in the state, unfortunately due to the caliber of a CRNA program I imagine it would probably demand a teaching hospital for adequate internship opportunity. If a CRNA program were to co-exist on IUMC campus, just imagine the competitive environment for clinical hours.

Since the MDs are their "preciousness" they of course prevail over and RN. I find it very interesting that the president of AANA is in Indy. The nearest CRNA programs are all outside of the state of Indiana (Toledo, Cincinnati, Chicago, [perhaps Louisville?], interestingly they are all within 30 min or so from the Indiana border). I would like to see the nursing program from Purdue pick this up and develop it in Fort Wayne at the IU/PU Fort Wayne Campus; there are 2 rather large hospital systems here, and of course they could also establish themselves at St. Vincent's Hospital in Indianapolis, which is more separated from the medical school.

The CRNAs are found at the rural hospitals and salary starts at about $145,000/yr; this is all info I've gathered personally when I have chatted amongst them. FP physicians here start at about $135,000/yr.

If my hubby could relocate with his job I would apply and move to one of these areas to get my CRNA. Unfortunately the rumors state that soon a PhD will be required for NP/PA/CRNA to carry prescriptive authority; who knows since we may soon be moving to socialized health care. If that happens, God help us all. For now moving is not an option for me.

:twocents:

gbl1117 · Aug 20, 2010

There is a program at Michigan State that is excellent and would love to have applicants from Indiana.

Critical CareRN · Aug 22, 2010

There is a program at Michigan State that is excellent and would love to have applicants from Indiana.

Did you attend this program? I have looked into it but the drive from my home in Indiana :uhoh3: would be almost 2 and 1/2 hours.

gbl1117 · Aug 24, 2010

No anesthesia program in the United States will accept a NP as an anesthetist. No school in the US will accept a nurse anesthetist as a NP either. It is possible however, for some course work completed in the NP tract to transfer into the NA tract. (Nursing theory, Research, etc). Although the NP and the NA may share some skill sets, the focus is very different.

gbl1117 · Aug 24, 2010

Nurse anesthesia school is very time intensive . . . . 70 hours per week. Many students enter thinking that they can work during the course of the program. Unfortunately, this is often not the case and these are the students who do not do well academically and have to quit. I drove an hour which was doable. Many of my clinical sites were more than an hour away and I had to locate a place to stay during that rotation. Most students move (temporarily) to complete their education. A move also secures an in-state address . . . in state tuition (eventually) versus out of state. MSU is still close enough for you to go home and see family.

Stick with the ICU experience.

lyela · Aug 24, 2010

The nearest CRNA programs are all outside of the state of Indiana (Toledo, Cincinnati, Chicago, [perhaps Louisville?], interestingly they are all within 30 min or so from the Indiana border).

No NA program in Toledo. Programs in Ohio; Case/CCR- Cleveland, Akron U.- Akron, SEHC- Youngstown, and UC- Cincinnati.

Toledo is 60 minutes due east on turnpike from the Indiana border.

transplant_nurse · Nov 21, 2010

Lyela,

Sorry I was referring

to the clinical aspect alone (location). Wayne State in Detroit, MI accommodates students from Toledo. Though not guaranteed exclusive, it appears a majority of the rotation can be completed in Toledo (this is about 1:15 drive from Fort Wayne).

The info I read online from at all-crna-schools.com, covers WSU and states, "The program has clinical sites in the Detroit Metropolitan Area, in Toledo, Pigeon, Michigan and Jackson, Michigan. Students will not be expected to rotate through all 19 available clinical sites. However, there are certain Primary Clinical sites which all students will rotate through. Students from Toledo, Ohio will complete most of their clinical experiences in Toledo, Ohio."

Wayne State University Detroit MI's Nurse Anesthetist Program

lyela · Nov 21, 2010

Lyela,
Sorry I was referring
to the clinical aspect alone (location). Wayne State in Detroit, MI accommodates students from Toledo. Though not guaranteed exclusive, it appears a majority of the rotation can be completed in Toledo (this is about 1:15 drive from Fort Wayne).
The info I read online from at all-crna-schools.com, covers WSU and states, "The program has clinical sites in the Detroit Metropolitan Area, in Toledo, Pigeon, Michigan and Jackson, Michigan. Students will not be expected to rotate through all 19 available clinical sites. However, there are certain Primary Clinical sites which all students will rotate through. Students from Toledo, Ohio will complete most of their clinical experiences in Toledo, Ohio."
Wayne State University Detroit MI's Nurse Anesthetist Program

If you meant clinical rotations there are more options on sites but no programs excepting to new one in Columbus:

Otterbein University/Grant Medical Center Nurse Anesthesia Program

In addition to the two Toledo hospital that offer clinical sites for MI program, there are sites in Dayton and Cincinnati that offer sites for TWU- check the TWU NA program website for the best up to date information.

P.S. Don't mean to question your driving skills, but even Jeff Gordon would have a hard time making it to St. Vincent or Toledo Hospital in " in Toledo (this is about 1:15 drive from Fort Wayne " in that time and in the winter Cherry Street can be a mess! :eek: