Hospice patient requests to smoke

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A hospice patient at the LTC I work at requested a cigarette which was held in our med cart. Why not? It's not like he'll acquire bladder cancer (he's already got it, the end-stage form!) from smoking another cigarette. So, I gave it to him under the condition that he smokes outside in a designated smoking area. He was very compliant, a very nice patient. The nurse working with me the next day had that patient and asked me, did the patient an order for the cigarettes?

...Really? The man is in pain, anxious, and dying, and the nurse really needs an order to let him have his cigarette? I don't smoke, but I don't care. This man knows he's going soon. Why withold the things that relieve his anxiety about dying, over an extremely trivial "order." If you're really uncomfortable giving him the cigarette, get the damn order!

Another resident on hospice wasn't putting out urine during my shift, but with no complaints of discomfort, and the relief nurse asked, did you call the doctor? ... What's the doctor supposed to do, order lasix? Order an in/out foley cath? Would an elderly woman want to spread her legs so a stranger can put a tube in her privates? That's the last thing she cares about.

Geez. I get really ticked off when some nurses don't think. I feel like at my LTC there's so much ignorance about hospice and comfort care. Liability preceeds every thought, every action, I feel terrible for the hospice patients here when the nurse don't use their humanity to think.

Specializes in Cardiac Step down/ LTC.

Red Kryptonite, (sorry can't quote from my phone) I agree with you. I wish the facility I worked for could have a designated hospice area, staffed with a hospice nurse and CNA. We at times can have quite a few resident's on hospice care.

When I did my clinicals I was able to go to a couple hospice facilities. They were peaceful, comforting atmospheres. Families had the privacy they needed with their loved one, and were able stay overnight with them. It's so hard to try and provide that atmosphere on a busy LTC floor.

Specializes in LTC,Hospice/palliative care,acute care.
A hospice patient at the LTC I work at requested a cigarette which was held in our med cart. Why not? It's not like he'll acquire bladder cancer (he's already got it, the end-stage form!) from smoking another cigarette. So, I gave it to him under the condition that he smokes outside in a designated smoking area. He was very compliant, a very nice patient. The nurse working with me the next day had that patient and asked me, did the patient an order for the cigarettes?

...Really? The man is in pain, anxious, and dying, and the nurse really needs an order to let him have his cigarette? I don't smoke, but I don't care. This man knows he's going soon. Why withold the things that relieve his anxiety about dying, over an extremely trivial "order." If you're really uncomfortable giving him the cigarette, get the damn order!

Another resident on hospice wasn't putting out urine during my shift, but with no complaints of discomfort, and the relief nurse asked, did you call the doctor? ... What's the doctor supposed to do, order lasix? Order an in/out foley cath? Would an elderly woman want to spread her legs so a stranger can put a tube in her privates? That's the last thing she cares about.

Geez. I get really ticked off when some nurses don't think. I feel like at my LTC there's so much ignorance about hospice and comfort care. Liability preceeds every thought, every action, I feel terrible for the hospice patients here when the nurse don't use their humanity to think.

Any resident who smokes in my LTC must have an order and be assessed by OT for safety to determine if he or she can be independent with smoking. We also don't permit ANY resident to leave their lighting materials at the bedside due to the risk of another confused resident picking them up. You see now there are a lot of variables to consider here. In my facility the DON would probably light YOU on fire for this one.

Did you do a full assessment on the person who had not voided? Were they actively dying and NPO? Did you palpate the bladder? Had they started MSO4 which can cause urinary retention? Did you take the time to explain to the nurse any of these things?

Most nurses get very little hospice/end of life training. It sounds like this is a passion for you and you have identified an area of weakness among your co-workers. Why not be part of the solution and TEACH instead of SLAM them? Request some EOL inservices, write up a proposal to your boss for a hospice/end of life protocol. Write the protocol yourself. As I said and I can't say it enough-Be part of the SOLUTION.

Specializes in ortho, hospice volunteer, psych,.

After my mom's admission to hospice, her care was great.

Her caretakers were super. I did her care until she became convinced that I was trying to poison her.

About a week before she died, she decided that she wantedHerllfavorite candy jelly beans. It was near.Easter so they were

available, but she was a Type 1 diabetic. I thought a few would

be ok but the hospice nurse was horrified.

I called her doctor. He's said to let her eat as.many as she wanted and we would compensate with extra insulin. As it turned out, she didn't eat many.

After lapsing into unconsciousness she.died. No problems from the jelly beans and they made her as happy as a little kid! It was one more good memory.

Any resident who smokes in my LTC must have an order and be assessed by OT for safety to determine if he or she can be independent with smoking. We also don't permit ANY resident to leave their lighting materials at the bedside due to the risk of another confused resident picking them up. You see now there are a lot of variables to consider here. In my facility the DON would probably light YOU on fire for this one.

Did you do a full assessment on the person who had not voided? Were they actively dying and NPO? Did you palpate the bladder? Had they started MSO4 which can cause urinary retention? Did you take the time to explain to the nurse any of these things?

Most nurses get very little hospice/end of life training. It sounds like this is a passion for you and you have identified an area of weakness among your co-workers. Why not be part of the solution and TEACH instead of SLAM them? Request some EOL inservices, write up a proposal to your boss for a hospice/end of life protocol. Write the protocol yourself. As I said and I can't say it enough-Be part of the SOLUTION.

As far as getting OT to do an assessment to determine whether a hospice patient can safely smoke prior to him/her having a cigarette, that seems excessive, unnecessary, and a waste of health care dollars. If the patient is accompanied by staff, staff can observe the patient for safety.

I totally agree with you regarding the need to promptly intervene when a patient goes an entire shift with no urine output.

Specializes in LTC,Hospice/palliative care,acute care.
As far as getting OT to do an assessment to determine whether a hospice patient can safely smoke prior to him/her having a cigarette, that seems excessive, unnecessary, and a waste of health care dollars. If the patient is accompanied by staff, staff can observe the patient for safety.

I totally agree with you regarding the need to promptly intervene when a patient goes an entire shift with no urine output.

We always get PT,OT and ST evals on all of our admissions.We take our hospice residents on a case by case basis.Obviously this guy is not very close to end of life,the hospice agency would likely authorize OT eval for safe smoking in a case like this.Resident has to be able to get out to the smoking area,find his way back and handle the smoking materials.The OP gave this guy a smoke and told him to go enjoy it......

We always get PT,OT and ST evals on all of our admissions.We take our hospice residents on a case by case basis.Obviously this guy is not very close to end of life,the hospice agency would likely authorize OT eval for safe smoking in a case like this.Resident has to be able to get out to the smoking area,find his way back and handle the smoking materials.The OP gave this guy a smoke and told him to go enjoy it......

I would hope PT & OT would do all evals on all your admissions; that is reasonable.

Lots of interesting issues here. It seems that hospice patients at LTCs who want to smoke are generally treated like any other LTC patient that wants to smoke, which is generally the right thing to do because of the potential impact on other residents.

I am surprised to hear about a hospice nurse that didn't want to give the dying patient candy that she loved. Our nurses would be thrilled to give her this candy.

In LTC facilities you have to follow policies and procedure for that facility. If the facility requires an order for their residents to smoke than you have to follow their policy. Hospice or not. It is different with home hospice patients. If a patient is on hospice you are supposed to report any change of condition to Hospice so the hospice case manager can come and assess. IE no urine output your whole shift should have been reported to Hospice nurse.

Specializes in Hospice. Worked ER, Med-Surg, ICU & ALF-Dementia.

I would agree with you on the cigarette part, if he has been a smoker, I do not believe that taking his cigarette away will make him better.

But on the second one, you condemn your fellow nurse of not thinking when pt on hospice is not voiding. I am from the hospice and though she may not be in pain at that moment, are you going to wait for that to happen? Hospice's primary goal is comfort, and trying to investigate what the cause of it might prevent a future distress. She might not be drinking or if she has dementia, forgets to drink, which means YOU as a nurse her nurse are not helping her nor advocating for her right...and at that time, the right to die comfortably. Does she have kidney stones preventing her from voiding? That could lead to infection and pain, which eventually, would go down to you or your fellow LTC nurse more work with atbs and pain management.

It is either you, sad to say, who was not thinking and using your humanity to promote your patient's comfort. Sometimes, it takes more than common sense to do that.

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