Holding voluntary patients - illegally?

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I work at a locked psychiatric hospital with acute psych, detox, and gero-psych units. We have a mix of voluntary and involuntary patients.

When working on the detox unit, nearly every patient is voluntary and, it's not uncommon to have patients request to leave AMA for various reasons (often, the patient admits they're not ready for sobriety). These are not patients that can be placed on a legal hold as they are not a danger to themselves or others and are able to care for themselves.

The problem is, as we are a locked facility, patients are forced to remain in the hospital as we process their discharge paperwork. This includes receiving a doctor's order, meeting with case management, etc. This often results in a patient asking to leave AMA early in the AM and not leaving the hospital until nearly 3pm.

We are a for-profit hospital and, at times, many employees (new nurses, non-nurse case managers, social workers) enforce the rules of the facility that to me appear to be illegal. One consent signed on admission used to state that patient's wishing to AMA must let someone know prior to 3pm in writing or else they must remain in the hospital until the next day. Other rules include requiring patients to have a medical H&P prior to discharge (even if they admitted themselves for detox and have already been assessed by a psychiatrist) and not being provided scripts on discharge if leaving AMA.

I've tried looking through my state's statutes (Nevada) to find out if this is illegal. To me, it appears to be false imprisonment as, in a non-locked facility, these patients could merely walk out the front door.

Can anyone advise on this?

Specializes in Psych.

Really I think it boils down to what the law is in your state regarding psych admissions. I don't know of any state, although I am sure they are out there which says voluntary psych patients can just AMA whenever they want. In my state, patients are required to give a written 72 hour notice. As with elk, the clock starts at the time they sign the paper. That doesnt mean the doctor has to keep them 72 hours, it just means they CAN. They can also be certified involuntarily at the end of 72 hours if t2 docs sign off that the pt is a danger to self or others. We usually would ask patients to wait while we did DC paperwork too but if they were demanding to go after the order was given, we would let them leave.

Straight detox is another animal. In my state it is treated like any other medical admission and the pt can walk out pretty much whenever, although we would try to keep them until morning if they wanted to leave in the middle of the night. Most of them just needed a bit of TLC and convincing that it would be in their best interest to stay until morning.

Specializes in Psych, Med/Surg, LTC.

When our patients sign in, they sign a form that they agree to stay for a minimum of 72 hours after they wish to sign out.  So if they sign the 72 hour notice form on a Monday at 900am, they can leave Thursday morning by 9am.  We can not hold them any longer.  They are supposed to have a Dr discharge them, so the Dr will come in early to see them.  If they Dr doesn't make it in time, they are free to leave, but they will be doing so without having medications called in/scripts and they will not have aftercare set up.  This obviously is not a good thing for the Dr, so the Dr.'s do get in in time to discharge them.  Sometimes a Dr will let them discharge prior to the 72 hours being up.  Typically, the Dr will have the pt rescind their notice, so it isn't then considered an AMA.  I'm guessing insurance doesn't always pay with ama discharges.

Specializes in Pschiatry.
On 11/20/2018 at 11:39 AM, Meriwhen said:

Look at it this way: if a medically stable med-surg patient decided at 0300 that they wanted to leave the hospital, would you open the door and let them go right then and there? Probably not, right? I'd bet you'd make them wait to see the doctor in the morning. So why should it be any different in psych?

The MD (or DO, etc.) admitted them, and therefore the MD has to be the one to discharge them. The MD has to make sure that the patient is safe to leave the facility--just because they signed in voluntarily doesn't mean they are safe to be discharged. The discharge could wait until the morning when they've had a chance to assess the patient, or it could be a set of discharge orders phoned in. This means the voluntary patient may have to wait the night before they can get out...but the MD has to be the one to do it.

As far as holds expiring in the middle of the night, providers are usually aware of when patient holds expire and think ahead. If they're planning to place the patient on a 5250, they'll write the paperwork that day so it will be effective the second the 5150 expires. Same thing for the 5270.

 

Specializes in Psych, Addictions, SOL (Student of Life).
1 hour ago, futurepsychrn said:

 

This may be state specific but in California under the Lanterman, Petrie, Short act of the Welfare and Institutions code a stable and maybe not so stable psych patient seeking discharge against medical advice must have their  request reviewed and appropriate assessment done within one hour of their request. If they don't meet crieria for a hold they must be discharged. They also must be given precriptions and a follow-up treatment plan before they leave.

Hppy

Specializes in Psych, Addictions, SOL (Student of Life).
On 11/27/2018 at 6:14 PM, SoCal student said:

That power point states very basic information that I've been well aware of for years.

You're kind of missing the point again. I'm not talking about holding them for any extended period of time against their will. I'm talking about opening the locked doors to the facility immediately, before having a doctor's order, discharge plan, etc.

My facility's policy is clear. We don't open locked doors until those requirements are met. Company policies don't supercede civil rights.

I am one of the people in our facility who is legally able to assess a aptient for an AMA discharge. If the attending psychiatrist cannot come to the hospital other professionals are trained a authorized  to certify patients as either safe to discharge or holdable. During that 1 hour while staff is addressing the request the patient is still considered voluntary, Once certified as holdable meaning  he/she/they/them meet specific criteria as DTS/DTO or gravely disabled. They are not illegally imprisioned.

 

Hppy

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