when even [http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_10_22/cover.html a magazine called "the american conservative" counsels] the republican presidential candidates that they can't live on hillary-hate alone, something is happening.
as nurses fighting for guaranteed healthcare, the california nurses association/national nurses organizing committee tracks this trend in terms of health policy. [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rose-ann-demoro/memo-to-the-gop-stopping_b_69472.html i will let our executive director rose ann demoro sum it up: attacking hillary clinton is not a health plan.] you can click through to the full article, but here's a taste:
apparently taking their leadership from karl rove who warned that the republican candidates must focus on healthcare because the issue is "on the mind of a lot of swing voters," the republican candidates for president have now latched on to healthcare.
but in the true spirit of their mentor rove, it appears they think our biggest healthcare crisis is the potential election of hillary clinton.
hearing their fulminations about "socialized medicine" and "hillary care" almost makes you wonder what they've been drinking.
in a new report, george lakoff's rockridge institute aptly describes the approach of clinton and the other top tier democrats as the "neoliberal mode of thought" in its dubious reliance on regulation and technocratic changes to an industry that needs to be dismantled, not tweaked.
but at least clinton and company are talking about comprehensive reform. the republican candidates' healthcare policies recall the words attributed, probably erroneously, to marie antoinette whose infamous solution to mass shortages of bread was "let them eat cake."
...cross-posted at the [http://www.guaranteedhealthcare.org/blog national nurses organizing committee/california nurses association's] breakroom blog, as we organize to make 2007 the year of guaranteed healthcare on the single-payer model.
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CRNA one more thing: Having also been in the military myself, I saw PLENTY of folks who joined to do just that:
Either to escape poverty, get a job that had benefits like healthcare coverage---- or find a way to get an education they could not otherwise afford! I was one of them, myself. Being unemployed and without resources, the military was "my way out". I can hardly believe you met no one like me; there were so many.
as for hillary, you don't have to like her....you don't have to like what she stands for. her history of public service began in college, as did her husband's. i would wager that those with the loudest voices against her, offer the least to their communities. they are the ones with nimby, "in my day....", "not my problem", "damn immigrants", "speak english", blah blah blah blah.
maisy;)
i disagree with the highlighted part . . . i am one of the voices against hillary clinton's agenda and i don't "offer the least" to my community.
But you still go to Vietnam to do Health care work....(For which I do admire you)!
I realize that I have no right to butt in here, but I feel compelled to do so nonetheless.
Viking, you made a comment which I believe was intended to express your admiration for stevielynn's incredible volunteer service. But it came across (at least to me) as condescending, as though it is somehow incomprehensible that a conservative would give of her time and service. As a fellow conservative who volunteers weekly at church and school, I find this terribly offensive. Conservatives are not evil, selfish, or heartless people. Nor do we revel in others' misfortune. We "put our money where are mouths are" by donating time and funds to services that enable others to help themselves. I realize that conservatives and liberals have fundamentally different beliefs about how best to help those in need, but making back-handed remarks about the good works of another serves no one. It disappoints me to see a capable debater resort to such tactics.
To me there is a BIG difference between a person who contributes.
I can respect a person who doesn't trust "the government" who does try to help through charity or volunteering.
To me the curruption of individuals embezzling from the United Way or the Red Cross won't cause me to abandon charitable giving.
Likewise currupt individuals won't make me give up on our government of the people.
But I find myself no option but prayer for those whose attitude is, "Health care is a privilege that must be earned. If you earn enough to provide for your family but are denied insurance, you must give up all comfort and security to pay for medical treatment. Sell your house. When you are destitute and sick go to the ER."
This woman isn't even qualified to be a CNA (no offense to CNAs) but people are so willing to turn over 1/7th of the US economy to her? The only record Hillary has on health care is a FAILED policy that was soundly defeated in the early 90's. If you want a good health plan in this country the you get an education get a good job and you will have health care.
My comment to steph was not meant as condescending or backhanded in the least. It was a genuine expression of appreciation for her work in Vietnam.
I am quite aware that people on both sides of the aisle volunteer of their time and talents to make the world a better place and I was simply trying to recognize that as a real phenomenon. No maleficence was meant or implied with my comment.
Thanks for your reply. I appreciate your taking the time to explain your remark, especially since it was not directed at me, but another poster whom I admire.
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Who will make the decision who can have children? The government? Wouldn't that be too much interference? A: No one. Ideally, you have kids you can't pay for, they are taken away (just as they are now), but mother and father are sterilized. For every freedom, there is great responsibility.
You have valid points, and I believe people should put their money where their mouths are, but that works two ways. You have an American president who with family money went to Yale and made C grades. College wasn't important-he didn't have to sacrifice to be there. This is a man who doesn't have a clue what sacrifice, student loans, not being able to afford food, medicine, clothing or decent housing is. Yet this man and so many like him tell the people "to pull themselves up by their bootstraps to get the American dream" It's very easy to say.....somewhat like your statement about liberal actors and their own money. Lip service is just that, no matter who spews it! A: I certainly didn't vote for him, nor would I vote for Democrat OR Republican... flip side of the same coin, i.e., good cop/bad cop switching roles with the goal of one world government where only the super rich profit from the labor of the masses.
I agree the drug companies are taking advantage of our system and should be stopped! Why are kids coming out of college and making six figures to become drug reps. That's sick! Doctors prescribing for perks instead of what is necessary for the patient's best recovery. A: You've got THAT right.
Again, illegals:angryfire-why does everyone blame them for these problems. A: They are not to blame, only another symptom of the problem.
My husband's friend's wife took ill in France-she was hospitalized for 3 weeks. No bill has ever been sent(5 years ago). This is not the only instance of foreign hospitalization and care I have heard written off. A: So, WHO paid for it? The taxpayer of France, that's who.
What exactly do you think they are getting? I work in an ER, I can tell you not much... A: BUT, MUCH more than they would get in Mexico... AND for FREE!
As for Hillary, you don't have to like her....you don't have to like what she stands for. Her history of public service began in college, as did her husband's. I would wager that those with the loudest voices against her, offer the least to their communities. They are the ones with NIMBY, "in my day....", "not my problem", "damn immigrants", "speak English", blah blah blah blah. A: Public "SERVICE?!?!?" More like a "government career." Yes, "in my day," people were expected to pay their own way, assume responsibility for themselves and their undertakings. Of course, things happened, unfortunate events, etc. THAT's what welfare and social programs are for... NOT for career recipiants, corporate welfare, subsidizing the health care of cheap/near slave labor from other countries who are criminals for just being here... JUST as those who hire them are and the politicians who ignore the problem for their own "governmental careers."
I say be part of the solution....instead of supporting the problem. Come up with good ideas, find out why people suffer and see how you can alleviate it. A: People suffer because the "free market" has been destroyed by overtaxation (to support governmental careers), government interference, corporate greed/racketerring, etc.
At least CRNA2007 finally has someone to thank, however, it appears your eyes are opened. Maybe someday his will be. A: My eyes are opened to the fact that certain "global interests" have positioned good people to DEMAND that their government change from a Republican form to Socialist. I repeat, we Americans are DEMANDING that our way of life be changed, instead of fixing the problem and returning to the form of government that built this nation.
Maisy;)
Remember, Nazi Germany was a Socialist form of government...
I do not think an anti-Semite racist could be elected President of the United States.
For about 45 years I have found that once there is a comrarison to Hitler and/or Nazi Germany the discussion is finished.
Maybe we can go back the discussing healthcare politics in the United States and maybe other democracies.
Good point, some people manage to work the Nazis into any conversation.
Just a reminder, the Nazis were a little more extreme than, for example, the current President. They systematically rounded up and exterminated millions of innocent men, women, and children in gas chambers, and then burned them in mass crematoriums after sending other concentration camp inmates to remove any gold fillings in their teeth.
Now, as to healthcare reform, redistribution of wealth has never worked, i.e., socialism, communism, etc. Take away a person's incentive to better themselves through working harder, working smarter, struggling for self improvement, etc., only breeds corruption, complacancy and mediocracy. This is evident by the decline of the United States as we move further and further towards socialism.
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CRNA one more thing: Having also been in the military myself, I saw PLENTY of folks who joined to do just that:
Either to escape poverty, get a job that had benefits like healthcare coverage---- or find a way to get an education they could not otherwise afford! I was one of them, myself. Being unemployed and without resources, the military was "my way out". I can hardly believe you met no one like me; there were so many.