Help! Advice needed HPRP Michigan

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I need some advice! I have been told that I am most likely going to be offered a monitoring agreement after a dui conviction( 1st offense) last year. I am wondering if it is worth getting the second opinion and meeting with the addictionologist??? Also wondering if anyone has met with one which one they met with or who they would recommend and what to expect. I am so worried about entering an agreement with all the stipulations that I might lose my job. I want to do everything possible to make sure that doesn’t happen. I have no history of any substance abuse and I do not have any issues with alcoholism, it was a one time mistake that I have definitely paid for. Any advice would we welcomed!!

Specializes in oncology.

Okay awesome. Thanks for all of this info! I would be absolutely willing to have another evaluation. The first evaluator straight up told me she didn't think I need monitoring and she said they normally listen to her recommendations. I'm praying for that. 

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MichelleTinsel said:

Okay awesome. Thanks for all of this info! I would be absolutely willing to have another evaluation. The first evaluator straight up told me she didn't think I need monitoring and she said they normally listen to her recommendations. I'm praying for that. 

Best of luck to you. You ALWAYS have to be one step ahead of the BON. You want to get in the mindset as if you were sitting on the BON yourself and this way, you are Proactive, not Reactive.  Get in the habit of thinking like they think. Nurses by in large, have a paranoia of litigation. It's some weird culture that has persisted in nursing schools for decades and we hear it everyday in the break room, "my license this, my license that." It's normal to have a healthy respect for one's license, but nurses are literally trained to be borderline paranoid. This works in YOUR Favor. The people on the BON are still nurses. You can bet that they have that internally trained fear taught from their first day of nursing school. The BON loves Control and when things are at their momentum and they are unchecked. As soon as Overwhelming Evidence and actual REAL evidence that an attorney has (2 negative SUD evals), they get a little worried. They get concerned. They usually back down, especially if you have an attorney that threatens litigation in the face of evidence in your favor.

The above reason is Exactly why the BON does everything to Discourage nurses from doing their own drug tests on the side when things go bad or when the nurse gets another SUD evaluator on the side. The BON knows these things are EVIDENCE in YOUR Favor and they Hate that. This is why the "Approve," LOL certain SUD evaluator centers or don't "Approve" of you getting your own PETH when a UTI causes a false positive urine. To heck with what they "Approve." It has ZERO bearing if the case reaches an administrative law Judge and they Know That. Any additional Evidence you have is a GOOD thing and can only benefit you. From negative hair to nails to 2 negative SUD evals REGARDLESS of whether they say they "approve it." The fact is, they SEE it and they know the damage that can come their way if the case went to litigation. They also know that nurses usually will not go that far. They operate heavily on FEAR and 90 plus percent of nurses buy into it. 

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You're right, it's the toxic culture. I'll see what they say Friday and if it's an agreement, I'll lawyer up. I've put in the work and been sober since my incident. I've never been in trouble at a job or anything like that. I just don't see how they can come for me 2 years after my owi...like what? If I really did have a problem, they're dangerously late to investigate. 

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The monitoring agency decides if you need a monitoring agreement.  They only recognize their evaluators not outside ones just FYI

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See my point Michelle?  So many nurses are fooled and believe the hype about "what's recognized."  The BON of nursing in 50 states OVERSEES all monitoring agencies, whether that agency is a Contractor, whether that monitoring agency is a part of the BON, or whether that agency is entirely separate.  The regulatory agency is the BON, per state law in 50 states.  Once again, it's not about what the monitoring agency "RECOGNIZES" if a nurse can get the case to an Administrative Law Judge.  The Administrative Law Jude is the one who does the Legal "Recognizing."  Outside Evaluators provide EVIDENCE.  EVIDENCE is what is needed.  It's not about what is "recognized."

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AbbeyR said:

Sounds like you did everything right! It takes a long time for the BON to "catch up" you might get placed on probation for a year which is basically where your manager fills out a simple form that that's your preforming safety every 3 months. Best of luck! Remember this feels like the worse day of our professional career but for them it's just another Thursday. Soon this will be behind you!

Who did you see?! 

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So I told my manager and she's vouching for me. They talked to her today to confirm my workplace....is there a chance they won't approve my workplace? It's a cancer center and I didn't work here when my owi happened. They said I could still access narcotics and work 40 hours so I don't see why they wouldn't? IDK I'm very nervous 

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MichelleTinsel said:

So I told my manager and she's vouching for me. They talked to her today to confirm my workplace....is there a chance they won't approve my workplace? It's a cancer center and I didn't work here when my owi happened. They said I could still access narcotics and work 40 hours so I don't see why they wouldn't? IDK I'm very nervous 

It's not overnight hours? 

They will probably approve it. 

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Specializes in oncology.

No, it's a Monday through Friday gig 8a-430p. My manager agreed to be my monitor. 

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MichelleTinsel said:

No, it's a Monday through Friday gig 8a-430p. My manager agreed to be my monitor. 

You'll probably be approved.  This is so stressful.  Do everything they ask and finish this monitoring agreement on time. 

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Healer555 said:

You'll probably be approved.  This is so stressful.  Do everything they ask and finish this monitoring agreement on time. 

Definitely is. I mailed out the agreement already bc in intake manager said to today and she asks for workplace approval tomorrow. The way they drag stuff out is stressful for no reason. It has to be approved or how can I pay for all of this therapy I don't need? 

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MichelleTinsel said:

Definitely is. I mailed out the agreement already bc in intake manager said to today and she asks for workplace approval tomorrow. The way they drag stuff out is stressful for no reason. It has to be approved or how can I pay for all of this therapy I don't need? 

when you did your first evaluation, was it HPRP approved? (im sorry if I missed it while reading you posts). and also did you enter a second evaluation? 

my case is a bit different, but I did enter evaluation myself with hprp and hprp closed my case with no diagnosis. now im waiting for BON but im afraid they could push monitoring for me, or evaluation again....im loosing my mind until I'm cleared or I hear anything from BON

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