Health Care is a right

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I would do a poll on this, but I do not know how to - or maybe you need to be a premium member.

At any rate, I would like to hear some discussion on whether you feel health care is a right or not.

I personally do.

I find it hard that somebody could call themselves a nurse and not support access to quality medical care. In this country 45,000 people die a year because of a lack of health insurance. Also in this country if you lack health insurance you have a 40% greater chance of dying. We have decided that as a society children should be provided with an education kindergarten through 12th grade. It is about time we do something about the uninsured.

Who's healthcare insurance are YOU paying for. If you feel someone you know should have healthcare insurance without paying for it maybe YOU should step up to the plate and pay if for them. Now that would show how moral you are.

Everyone in the world has a 100% greater chance of dying.

Define education. Because if we want to compare our educational ( government run) program to other countries I'm game.

France pays for Medical School should we? Also, if the UK and France have such good healthcare programs why can't an American donate blood in this country if we've spent more than 3 months in either country.

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Specializes in Advanced Practice, surgery.

France pays for Medical School should we? Also, if the UK and France have such good healthcare programs why can't an American donate blood in this country if we've spent more than 3 months in either country.

Not sure what this has to do with UK or French Healthcare, surely this would be because of the risks you may have exposed yourself to during a prolonged period abroad

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Who's healthcare insurance are YOU paying for. If you feel someone you know should have healthcare insurance without paying for it maybe YOU should step up to the plate and pay if for them. Now that would show how moral you are.
It would also show how immoral you are. At least as nurse. You certainly can not say you are a patient advocate since the only thing you seem to be advocating is your checkbook.

Everyone in the world has a 100% greater chance of dying.
Gee, did not know that. So I guess based on your logic, I can go out and kill somebody. I mean heck they have a 100% chance of dying someday anyways.

Define education. Because if we want to compare our educational ( government run) program to other countries I'm game.
This is a distraction that has really nothing to do with the what I wrote. I was never "comparing education systems". I was making the point that certain things in society we have deemed collectively as a right, one of those is education, and hopefully someday health care will be the other. I guess that one flew by you.
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Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.
most of us were young once. i bet most of us faced these same issues. we worked two jobs. we didn't buy much bling. we ate mac and cheese. some of us lived with our parents or took in boarders. what has changed since we were young?

can you give me a specific of someone dying on an american street solely because they couldn't get health care. maybe they were dying on a cold december day without adequate housing or food. but i guess those aren't rights. when will they be rights?

http://www.namesofthedead.com/story.php?id=4012

http://www.namesofthedead.com/story.php?id=3966

http://www.namesofthedead.com/story.php?id=4113

http://www.namesofthedead.com/story.php?id=4031

"health insurance and mortality in us adults"

the study - http://pnhp.org/excessdeaths/health-insurance-and-mortality-in-us-adults.pdf

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Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.
I believe we all deserve decent food and shelter. A home not a place to sleep at during the night to leave the next day. Wouldn't decent food and a home be preventative health care? Don't we need good nutrition to be healthy?[/quote]

Of course.

I think all basic needs should be possible for all.

The right to life is necessary for liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

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It would also show how immoral you are. At least as nurse. You certainly can not say you are a patient advocate since the only thing you seem to be advocating is your checkbook.

Its easy to make it all about the checkbook when you're hardly paying anything in taxes, isn't it? So really....you're expecting other people to assume the burden of your morality. But I don't know your situation, and maybe you honestly don't make a lot of money to contribute to the good of mankind. Thats understandable. Can I ask you this then? As a nurse, how many days a week do you volunteer at your neighborhood free clinic to do your part to provide whatever care you can to the less fortunate? Furthermore, how long do you think you'd continue working to help others if your hospital told you they were going the philanthropist route and weren't going to be paying their staff any longer? Because I'm guessing you would have to read the second half of the memo in the parking lot.

This is a distraction that has really nothing to do with the what I wrote. I was never "comparing education systems". I was making the point that certain things in society we have deemed collectively as a right, one of those is education, and hopefully someday health care will be the other. I guess that one flew by you.

Rights are always an interesting concept. If I may make draw a somewhat juvenile reference....it's always reminded me of that episode of futurama. Where theres a huge ball of trash on course to impact the earth, and the president or the mayor or whoever....brings farnsworth in and asks for his help. The conversation goes something like this

President: "Farnsworth, we need your help!"

Farns: "Hrm, I can help. But it'll cost you."

President: "Name your price"

Farns: "I'll need a large grant"

President: "Done"

Farns: "I'll need a team of research scientists"

President: "Done"

Farns: "And lastly, I'll need tenure"

President: "Done, now what are you going to do about the huge ball of trash?"

Farns: "Who cares, I've got tenure."

Once you make all the basic necessities of life entitlements, theres really no reason for anyone to do anything. I mean I can honestly say that if I didn't have to worry about feeding myself, housing myself, and making sure I have adequate health care...I wouldn't work a day in my life. The only people who would are those who are motivated by mercedes, expensive jewlery, luxury yachts, and mansions. I could retire tommorow, settle down, and spend the rest of my waking days spending time with my children.

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It would also show how immoral you are. At least as nurse. You certainly can not say you are a patient advocate since the only thing you seem to be advocating is your checkbook.

Gee, did not know that. So I guess based on your logic, I can go out and kill somebody. I mean heck they have a 100% chance of dying someday anyways.

This is a distraction that has really nothing to do with the what I wrote. I was never "comparing education systems". I was making the point that certain things in society we have deemed collectively as a right, one of those is education, and hopefully someday health care will be the other. I guess that one flew by you.

How do you know I'm not paying for someone's healthcare? How do you know I'm not paying some one's premiums? But when I ask you to pay for someone you get defensive. My nursing care is not in question here. Maybe you need to put your wallet where your moral obligation rests.

No your logic is flawed. Everyone is gonna die regardless of their insurance status.

You were comparing social systems. Government run healthcare won't be any better than government run education.

Education may be a right but the government doesn't know how to run it. Nothing flew by me.

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Not sure what this has to do with UK or French Healthcare, surely this would be because of the risks you may have exposed yourself to during a prolonged period abroad

Yeah time I spent in two UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE countries. I'd believe that with such great healthcare I shouldn't be a risk for anything. Not even a hangnail. Two countries with a better record than ours who pay less for healthcare than we do. Would you go to either country and get a blood transfusion? Many think we should have a program such as theirs. But we'll have to get blood somewhere else. ;)

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No your logic is flawed. Everyone is gonna die regardless of their insurance status.
So? I never said people with insurance will never die. You seem very delusional because no where in my posts have I indicated anything close. I just stated that based on current research, your chances of dying because you do not have insurance is increased. You have yet to dispute that. All you did was give some smart ___ answer irrelevant to what I stated earlier. I would definitely question your care not to mention your morals to name a few.

You were comparing social systems. Government run healthcare won't be any better than government run education.
Government run education is far superior to no education at all. The US still has some of the best public universities in the world and is still a country with great creativity and innovation.

Education may be a right but the government doesn't know how to run it. Nothing flew by me.

Yep it flew by you, I guess it is selective reading on your part. I was never commenting on the quality of government run education, that is another issue. But we have decided as a society that education should be provided to all children regardless of income status, and hopefully someday we as a society will decide to provide health care just the same.

The private industry sure has done a poor job of providing care to everyone because they are profit driven. There is no such thing as a "free market" when it comes to health care and your own personal health.

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Remember the days when education was a responsibility, and not a right? Where parents were actually expected to sit down and teach their children the general education rather then have them thrown into an assembly line of public schools?

The people that argue that children have a right to healthcare always seem to jump to the conclusion that the government should be providing it, and completely ignore the responsibility the parents have to provide for their children.

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So? I never said people with insurance will never die. You seem very delusional because no where in my posts have I indicated anything close. I just stated that based on current research, your chances of dying because you do not have insurance is increased. You have yet to dispute that. All you did was give some smart ___ answer irrelevant to what I stated earlier. I would definitely question your care not to mention your morals to name a few.

Government run education is far superior to no education at all. The US still has some of the best public universities in the world and is still a country with great creativity and innovation.

Yep it flew by you, I guess it is selective reading on your part. I was never commenting on the quality of government run education, that is another issue. But we have decided as a society that education should be provided to all children regardless of income status, and hopefully someday we as a society will decide to provide health care just the same.

The private industry sure has done a poor job of providing care to everyone because they are profit driven. There is no such thing as a "free market" when it comes to health care and your own personal health.

Name me a great cancer center in a universal healthcare country. 55% don't die because of no healthcare according to your stats. Wanna dispute that FACT?

We have some of the most expensive educational institutions too. Isn't that what you are saying about healthcare that it is too expensive and yet you compare it to education.

Does your moniker here have a historical significance. Because with the history of some religions in this country some members should not preach morality to others.

You may question my care all you want. It won't do you any good. You are not my patient. Those are the people I care about. When your patient's are denied care by your government come back and tell me about that.

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Remember the days when education was a responsibility, and not a right? Where parents were actually expected to sit down and teach their children the general education rather then have them thrown into an assembly line of public schools?

The people that argue that children have a right to healthcare always seem to jump to the conclusion that the government should be providing it, and completely ignore the responsibility the parents have to provide for their children.

Yeah the # of kids homeschooled in this country, with free "great" education doubled from 1994 to 1996. 2001 census data.

This country was built on INDEPENDENCE from government. Our fore fathers didn't want big government. They lived it they knew what it was. We are slowly finding out what it is. I'd just rather we didn't.

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