Was the Supreme Court right to rule that the Affordable Care Act violated the religio
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No - The ruling allows bosses to impose their religious beliefs on their employees. Besides, the Constitution grants religious freedom to individuals, not corporations.
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Yes - The religious beliefs of company owners take precedence over their employees' right to have access to birth control.
Should religious family-owned companies be required to cover contraceptives under their insurance plans? The high court says no.
I'm curious how you nurses feel about this? Please take a second to vote in our quick poll.
This is a highly political topic, I'd rather not turn this into a hot argumentative subject, so please keep your comments civil :) But please feel free to comment. Thanks
In a 5-4 decision Monday, the Supreme Court allowed a key exemption to the health law's contraception coverage requirements when it ruled that closely held for-profit businesses could assert a religious objection to the Obama administration's regulations. What does it mean? Here are some questions and answers about the case.What did the court's ruling do?
The court's majority said that the for-profit companies that filed suit-Hobby Lobby Stores, a nationwide chain of 500 arts and crafts stores, and Conestoga Wood Specialties, a maker of custom cabinets-didn't have to offer female employeesall Food and Drug Administration-approved contraceptivesas part of a package of preventive services that must be covered without copays or deductibles under the law. The companies had argued that several types of contraceptivesviolate their owners' religious beliefs. The ruling also covers a Hobby Lobby subsidiary, the Mardel Christian bookstores.
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I pay for war and an overbloated military presence that I don't agree with. And yes, I feel so strongly about it that it violates my conscience. We don't have a buffet tax plan in our country, where you can just pick and choose which programs you deem acceptable and which you don't. (That was in agreement with Wooh and in response to CNCwhatever, the person who keeps posting the ridiculous anti-choice rhetoric)
You pay for war and don't agree with that. But I bet you feel safe at night in your home, don't you? You reap the benefits of a military yet you don't agree with war. Okay. Makes a ton of sense. What should violate your conscience is the fact that people are dying to keep YOU safe, yet you don't agree with that. Move. Leave. You don't like it, get out.
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It is IMPOSSIBLE for contraception to "destroy" a fetus. Contraception does absolutely nothing to disrupt an implanted pregnancy. The fetal stage does not begin until the 9th week.
Good try!! But no again. Like I said before, posters are making this about everything but what it's about... including ABORTION, viagra, etc. So no, try again. Abortions take place at various stages of pregnancy. Please try to keep up.
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It is IMPOSSIBLE for contraception to "destroy" a fetus. Contraception does absolutely nothing to disrupt an implanted pregnancy. The fetal stage does not begin until the 9th week.
I was just talking about abortion and viagra in another post, sorry I got mixed up and thought it was this one. It's getting quite heated in here.
You pay for war and don't agree with that. But I bet you feel safe at night in your home, don't you? You reap the benefits of a military yet you don't agree with war. Okay. Makes a ton of sense. What should violate your conscience is the fact that people are dying to keep YOU safe, yet you don't agree with that. Move. Leave. You don't like it, get out.
There has not been a single war fought in my lifetime that has affected my safety while at home in the US. The military does not keep me safe in my hometown- they are not the local police.
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You really compare birth control with viagra?? Do you need a refresher course to know what each of these do? Maslow's hierarchy of needs says that sex is a basic human need! That's why the viagra is covered!
which is why I think most of us would agree that both Viagra AND all FDA-approved forms of contraception should be covered. You really don't see the misogynistic double standard
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Move along and don't let the door hit ya in the butt. Put on your great big huge left wing panties and stop your crying.
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Pay attention to the rest what I said, genius. Go back and read it again. I wrote about abortion and viagra. Now does it make sense or should I draw you a picture?
Why are you being so nasty? Nobody has called you names. Kindly offer others the same consideration.
Good try!! But no again. Like I said before, posters are making this about everything but what it's about... including ABORTION, viagra, etc. So no, try again. Abortions take place at various stages of pregnancy. Please try to keep up.
The ruling had ZERO to do with abortion. People think that it did, but it didn't. Abortion, by definition, is the termination of an implanted pregnancy. Not ONE of the 4 medications that Hobby Lobby does not want their insurance to pay for would disrupt a pregnancy at the fetal stage. I was responding to your statement:
And if I was a fetus and then you destroyed me, I'd also be more than a little unhappy. Pay for it yourself.
Again, it is IMPOSSIBLE for a fetus to be destroyed by any of the medications that Hobby Lobby did not want to pay for. You're the one who brought up abortion there.
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There has not been a single war fought in my lifetime that has affected my safety while at home in the US. The military does not keep me safe in my hometown- they are not the local police.
You have got to be kidding me. You really believe that? Wow. I feel very sorry for you.
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When I'm unhappy about something about my government, I prefer to effect change, rather than "leave it and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out." What a horrible thing to suggest.
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which is why I think most of us would agree that both Viagra AND all FDA-approved forms of contraception should be covered. You really don't see the misogynistic double standard ? Wow. Way to keep it classy and mature.
Oh, the train from classy and mature left a long time ago.
Luckily for American women, the Supreme Court doesn't have the ultimate say in contraceptive coverage, and least not with the Hobby Lobby decision. For example, Kaiser Health News, reports:
More than half the states have "contraceptive equity" laws on the books that require most employers whose health insurance covers prescription drugs to also cover FDA-approved contraceptives as part of that package. Unlike the ACA, those laws do not require that coverage to be available without deductibles or co-pays. [...]The Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which the court used to say the closely held companies don't have to abide by the federal mandate, "doesn't supersede state law," said Marcia Greenberger, co-president of the National Women's Law Center. "They stand as independent protections."
Some of those states have exemptions for non-profit religious organizations, like the federal law, with just Arizona and Illinois expanding them beyond expressly religious entities. However, Hobby Lobby and other firms that self-insure aren't subject to state insurance laws, because they're not buying state-regulated insurance. Other companies, though, which don't self-insure do have to abide by that state law.But there aren't just state protections, and here is one of the glaring problems with the decision--women are singled out. And this:
But [self-insuring companies] are still likely subject to a ruling issued by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission in the year 2000 that employers that fail to cover contraception as part of their health insurance benefit package are discriminating against women in violation of the 1978 Pregnancy Discrimination Act. That law was itself an amendment to the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
The employees of Hobby Lobby and other companies that take advantage of the exemption could sue their employers, charging gender discrimination. The litigating is far from over on this one.
I don't ordinarily quote myself in a thread, but this bears repeating. And I can tell that a number of people found it had too many words in it to actually read. :)
From the movie "Amadeus"
EMPEROR: Well, Herr Mozart! A good effort. Decidedly that. An excellent effort! You've shown us something quite new today.
[Mozart bows frantically: he is over-excited.]
MOZART: It is new, it is, isn't it, Sire?
EMPEROR: Yes, indeed.
MOZART: So then you like it? You really like it, Your Majesty?
EMPEROR: Of course I do. It's very good. Of course now and then - just now and then - it gets a touch elaborate.
MOZART: What do you mean, Sire?
EMPEROR: Well, I mean occasionally it seems to have, how shall one say? [he stops in difficulty; turning to Orsini-Rosenberg] How shall one say, Director?
ORSINI-ROSENBERG: Too many notes, Your Majesty?
EMPEROR: Exactly. Very well put. Too many notes.
MOZART: I don't understand. There are just as many notes, Majesty, as are required. Neither more nor less.
EMPEROR: My dear fellow, there are in fact only so many notes the ear can hear in the course of an evening. I think I'm right in saying that, aren't I, Court Composer?
SALIERI: Yes! yes! er, on the whole, yes, Majesty.
MOZART: But this is absurd!
EMPEROR: My dear, young man, don't take it too hard. Your work is ingenious. It's quality work. And there are simply too many notes, that's all. Cut a few and it will be perfect.
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