Health Care Bill

crschreib · Mar 22, 2010

why do people feel that this will lower nurses salaries? i get that there will be increased responsibilities on nurses now that we get to care for 32 million more people, but where in the bill does it say that nursing salaries are going to lower? if it does theres going to be a lot more nurses leaving the field...

kbm318 · Mar 22, 2010

found this somewhere don't remember where and I don't know who said it, I don't pay much attention to this thing but just thought I would share.

My friends, allow me to give you a rundown of the conservative reaction to this healthcare bill. When an important piece of legislation that they do not favor passes, conservatives begin to shout "It's the end of the world", and proclaim that the USA is headed toward a socialist revolution. This happened when Social Security was passed. It happened when Medicare and Medicaid were passed. Now it is happening with the Healthcare Package that passed the House yesterday. The conservatives were wrong time and time again, and they are wrong now. The history has yet to be written, but the American conservative will go down in history as being on the wrong side, once again, because of their opposition to this reform. Furthermore, if conservatives want to base their campaigns on removing 30 million Americans' access to healthcare, let them. It will not be effective. It will simply prove what has been known by many of us all along, that conservatives are not fighting for, and do not care about the people.

fed_ADN_SN · Mar 22, 2010

The only thing it can do is raise taxes and cut spending on other tax funded programs. The money has to come from somewhere. I think its really going to hurt our country in the long run. If you look at Canada or other countries with government run healthcare nothing good is happening there. Hospitals routinely shut down for the weekend and doctors close their doors because they simply cant afford to stay open. Doctors and pharmacies will soon stop accepting medicare and medicaid as some already have in anticipation of this bill. Idk how they think this help anything?

aura_of_laura · Mar 22, 2010

While it isn't perfect, this bill is a step in the right direction. For the amount of money we spend on it, US healthcare is ineffective and downright terrible in a lot of respects.

Talk of lowered salaries is just fear-mongering. How can we possibly guess that? People will be rewarded *gasp* on their ability to prevent illness and provide effective treatment.

I think that we can be proud today

CFitzRN, ADN · Mar 22, 2010

There is no public option in the bill that was just signed. What are you talking about?

What, so I just dreamed up the enormously government-expanding health care bill that was so egregiously and underhandedly passed late last night? The one that accounts for 1/6th of this nation's economy? Oh, sorry. :confused: What are YOU talking about?

jlwerley · Mar 22, 2010

someone asked for a breakdown of the bill, and this was on the home page of comcast:

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-finance/20100320/US.Health.Overhaul.Glance/

now, i am only 21 years old and know nothing about insurance, as all of that is still taken care of by my parents (thanks mom and dad!). however, one thing i have gained from reading posts on here and the bits of news that i catch here and there is that something needs to change because the way things are going now certainly arent working. hopefully this is the right change thats needed, but if nothing else its a step towards making that needed change. whatever bill gets passed or signed, not everyone will be happy, its just inevitable.

2bgr8nurse · Mar 22, 2010

I find it funny how so many people keep referring to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, as if they have been successfully run gov't programs. Conservatives as well as everyone else should be very concerned with this new bill that just passed. If it was a step in the right direction as so many of you are saying, then why did so many Democrats vote NO?

calliesue · Mar 22, 2010

Uligonzalez My fear of health care reform in our country is that it won't go far enough to help everyone as socialized medicine would.

It seems like penalizing people for not having health care is counter- productive. If you are already having trouble paying rent and feeding your kids health care is not going to be your priority.

Too bad we couldn't just bite the bullet and go socialized all the way.

classicdame, MSN, EdD · Mar 22, 2010

well, so far CRNA's getting Medicare/Medicaid reimbursement have seen their payments cut by 40% and MDs by 20-25% so why should we believe that nurses salaries won't decline at some point? Not right away, or the Prez would not get re-elected. We have to wait to see the full impact.

CFitzRN, ADN · Mar 22, 2010

Uligonzalez My fear of health care reform in our country is that it won't go far enough to help everyone as socialized medicine would.
It seems like penalizing people for not having health care is counter- productive. If you are already having trouble paying rent and feeding your kids health care is not going to be your priority.
Too bad we couldn't just bite the bullet and go socialized all the way.

If you're so gung-ho on the Socialist way of life, perhaps The United States of America is not the place for you. Feel free to explore other options.

CFitzRN, ADN · Mar 22, 2010

I find it funny how so many people keep referring to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, as if they have been successfully run gov't programs. Conservatives as well as everyone else should be very concerned with this new bill that just passed. If it was a step in the right direction as so many of you are saying, then why did so many Democrats vote NO?

Yes - as though they are to be held up as the standard. They are a study in inefficiency, fraud, waste and they're only getting worse every year. I think "the conservatives" had some pretty d.a.m.n good reasons for raising concerns, just as "the conservatives" have now, over this fiasco.

trae55 · Mar 22, 2010

I don't see that the health care bill will affect nursing jobs at all. If you look at the bill, the bill mostly affects the crooked insurance policies. There will be no cap on insurance payouts, insurance companies can't drop you if you get sick, and children can stay on their parents policies until they are 26.

When the part of the plan that goes into effect that requires everyone to be covered by a plan (not government run, there is NO public option), there may be a need for more nurses in clinics compared to emergency rooms. People that are not covered by insurance now typically wait until they are extremely sick before seeing a doctor. That's the only thing I can think of.

The big debate is whether healthcare premiums will now go up. This is what I found on factcheck.org:

The battle over what happens to insurance premium costs under the bill was most pronounced during President Obama's health care summit Feb. 25. Obama and Republican Sen. Lamar Alexander of Tennessee argued over whether premiums would increase (Alexander's view) or decrease (Obama's), compared with what premiums would do in the absence of legislation. The truth is that for most people, premiums wouldn't change significantly.

The Congressional Budget Office estimated that for those in the group market-those who get insurance through their employers-premiums would largely stay the same. The change in the average premium in the large group market would be between 0 percent and a 3 percent decrease, for instance, compared with where they'd be under current law in 2016. The average premiums for those who buy insurance on their own would go up, however, by 10 percent to 13 percent. The reason is that benefits would become a lot better for this market under the bill. Also, most people buying their own coverage would receive subsidies that make their net costs for these plans substantially lower than they otherwise would be.