Why is Nursing School So Flawed?

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We've had so much contradictory teaching so far. We've been drilled with the RACE acronym, then today we had a test where the correct answer out of the four options within RACE was to pull the alarm. What?? Last time we were tested on this the correct answer was to rescue. Why isn't there any consistency?

Then we had another question on DKA, which we've never covered by the way, on our acid-base exam. Well out of the choices given, two of them were incorrect for sure (i.e., dextrose IV), so it came down to O2 or sodium bicarb. The question focused on their breathing and what collaborative care we would provide. Well, I knew from past reading on my own that HCO3 was a last resort and deemed fairly unsafe in most cases unless the pH was less than 7.00 and special circumstances existed. Cerebral edema, over correction, cardiac issues, and so forth puts bicarb at the bottom of the list of treatment measures. Since we weren't given any ABG values in the question or anything to suggest the patient was in a poor state, I went with O2. Is O2 that helpful? I have no idea. However, the Med-Surg book puts O2 high on the list of initial interventions, then fluid replacement, insulin, and potassium. Well, the instructor wasn't swayed by our reason for picking O2 over bicarb.

This kind of thing happens all the time. Another question we had dealt with Foley placement. We were told in lab not to inflate the balloon prior to insertion, as research had shown that it can cause irritation going in the urethra. On our exam we answered the question dealing with a Foley so as not to inflate the balloon. Well we were marked wrong. Surprisingly, someone found in the book that is does say not to inflate the balloon to test it. Didn't matter, we weren't given the point.

Every week we take a test we argue with the teacher and wonder what the point of all of this is. They keep going on about "critical thinking", but it is way more a game of craps since the majority of our tests have more than one right answer and if you choose a "wrong" one but show the teacher another nursing book (NCLEX review) or the one we've been given that backs up our answer, you're shot down. They will actually say "The book is wrong". Okay, so my Saunders NCLEX review book is wrong?? :uhoh3:

I missed another one today regarding the defintion of palliative care. They had home care, hospice, and a couple choices that were more acute. I chose home care simply because palliative care is not limited to the dying patient and hospice. That is not the core definition of palliative care, which is often used in treatment of chronic conditions. Well, the teacher seems to think palliative is synonymous with hospice, and that palliative care does not pertain to the maintenance of long-term chronic disorders. :rolleyes:

I think nursing school has so many problems in how they "teach", jumping out of sequence regarding topics (e.g., covering ethics and law after physical assessment), preventing the use of medical books to better understand diseases or write papers, giving to little time to skills lab, ect....

Specializes in acute care.

It was the same for me, very straight forward.

. I'll tell you from my experience...the NCLEX was VERY straight forward and it was easy to pick out what they did or did not want.
Ah "NCLEX world"?! But don't my "critical thinking skills" lead me to not assume that the call light will always work the way its supposed to and that using my own eyes and ears (eg having the patient in my sight) is really "the best" nursing care I can offer? I'm not saying that IS *the best* answer, but how is call light *the best* answer either?

No- NCLEX world is ideal practice. Your call lights never break. You have time to answer them. Worrying about breaking call lights and malfunctioning equipment is putting more in the question than is there.

cxg174 - you make a good point. I don't think the call light is a *wrong* answer but given that we don't have much of any contextual information in the question.

If the patient's SOB is too acute to handle sitting out by the nurses' station, then are they well enough to just give them a call ball and leave them alone? Do we have enough info to make that call?

We have no other option. The best answer is the only option we have. You can't read too much into the questions either. I only say this because I am pretty good at test taking and in fact I helped write NCLEX questions before. Those questions are written by real nurses.

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
It gives the patient a sense of control. Helplessness increases anxiety which increases dyspnea. Having a way to reach you should he need a breathing treatment, suctioning, whatever he should need, gives him a sense of control. A dyspnic patient can barely speak sometimes, let alone yell for you and once you get busy, well who knows how long it will be before you pop in to check him- an hour? Two? When you need help with breathing minutes feel like hours, hours can mean death.

I had an end-stage COPD patient once in home heath care whose husband could not hear her calls at night. He was hard of hearing. She was terrified. No one could sleep. She thought she would die in the night if he couldn't help her when she needed something. He thought she would die because he was asleep. I bought them a cowbell for her to ring to wake him up when needed. She had her cowbell, they both slept. Problem solved.

That is a scary scenario! Patients that sick at home with only family members taking care of them should always have an alternate way to get help if they can't wake up their relative! We use baby monitors and buttons to call for help from "Life Alert" type ccompanies, to decrease the overall level of anxiety. One patient has one of those loud dinger bells cooks use to alert the waitress her order is up. As someone with pretty severe asthma, I know how anxiety and shortness of breath form an escalating loop of panic. Sometimes I feel an "issue" of SOB but in reality I'll check my peak-flow and it's in the green zone.

Looking back over the original choices I see the word "immediately" answer the call bell, and if that would actually happen, I can see why that would may be the first choice, but part of my brain that lives in "the real world" may have caused me to skip over it mentally as if it had said Santa Claus is real. :) I like these back and forth discussions though because all of us learn to think out of the box.

No- NCLEX world is ideal practice. Your call lights never break. You have time to answer them. Worrying about breaking call lights and malfunctioning equipment is putting more in the question than is there.

I see what you're saying. Are we also assuming that this isn't a long term care facility where a patient sitting out by the nurses' station might be a reasonable measure?

We had one question about a patient afraid of being alone and with issues of SOB. The choices were place the patient close to the nurses station in a wheelchair, encourage them to make friends with other patients, answer their call light immediately, or monitor them frequently.

Are we to assume that the call light is on right now? Then, of course, go answer their call light immediately before doing anything else.... though to do anything else, you would have to see and/or talk to the patient and thus essentially answer the call light, right?

Are we to assume the call light isn't on right now? In the ideal NCLEX world, all call lights get answered immediately, right? So why even have it as a choice in that case?

nursel56 - I agree that these back and forth discussions are useful! And thank you cxg174 for your valuable perspective!

I'd still argue that there are much more important points to be testing nursing students' knowledge and critical thinking skills on than a question like this. And it seemed like I saw too many questions like this as a student, unfortunately.

That is a scary scenario! Patients that sick at home with only family members taking care of them should always have an alternate way to get help if they can't wake up their relative! We use baby monitors and buttons to call for help from "Life Alert" type ccompanies, to decrease the overall level of anxiety. One patient has one of those loud dinger bells cooks use to alert the waitress her order is up. As someone with pretty severe asthma, I know how anxiety and shortness of breath form an escalating loop of panic. Sometimes I feel an "issue" of SOB but in reality I'll check my peak-flow and it's in the green zone.

Looking back over the original choices I see the word "immediately" answer the call bell, and if that would actually happen, I can see why that would may be the first choice, but part of my brain that lives in "the real world" may have caused me to skip over it mentally as if it had said Santa Claus is real. :) I like these back and forth discussions though because all of us learn to think out of the box.

They were quite poor and did not want any high-tech gear. He slept on the couch right near her- very devoted to her. But he was hard of hearing and she was too weak to yell. It was actually a very good experience once we found ways to help them get through it all. The cowbell was plenty loud and did the trick. I greatly enjoyed seeing them. There are lots of patients like this in home health. Cowbell call bells, coathanger IV stands, buckets for basins, boil up your own saline and all sorts of other creative solutions. Home health can be very interesting.

I'll tell you from experience because I deal with these types of patients. The call light is NOT the way to go. What will end up happening is they lay on that button 24/7. And when people can't or don't come see them in 2 seconds, they get upset and push the button even more. Unless they are in contact isolation, roll them to the nurse's station, put an O2 tank on the back of the wheelchair if you need. How will a call light fix the problem?

Well again we are talking about the ideal world of test questions, not necessarily the real world of madness that we deal with sometimes. Nursing students aren't supposed to know about that yet, it would scare them off...

Well again we are talking about the ideal world of test questions, not necessarily the real world of madness that we deal with sometimes.

I understand that one should assume everything works in the test world. If the question asks about how to prioritize taking a blood pressure first, one shouldn't argue "well, where I work, we can never find BP cuffs so I prioritized it lower". Or if it asks about contacting a physician for an order of Tylenol, I can see that a student shouldn't be able to argue "but I see the nurses give Tylenol and then wait til morning to get the order." In an ideal world, physicians have no problem being called at 2am for an order of Tylenol and you'll have ready access to a blood pressure cuff.

I don't see how the 'ideal world' applies to the question at hand. Critical thinking, what nursing test questions are supposed to be testing, tells me that even in an ideal world, nurses can't magically appear at the bedside the second a call light is pressed; that even in an ideal world, a patient may not push the call light if they are panicking if it feels like they can't breathe or if they are too scared to 'bother' the nurse.

It seems contradictory to me for instructors to push using critical thinking on test questions and then accuse students of "overthinking" the question or tell them they should have assumed this or that.

Sometimes, it is just a matter of students being whiney. But sometimes there is merit to the complaints. It really depends on each situation. For those of us who have always studied hard, made a point to know our stuff inside and out, and expect to have to earn our grades, it is frustrating if instructors lump our questions about the validity of certain questions with those of the ever-unsatisfied-student-whiner.

Nursing students aren't supposed to know about that yet, it would scare them off...

LOL! Too funny! Sadly, kind of true.

yep this is why i quit nursing school and switched to a major that had some consistency and well...logic

What are you doing now, if you don't mind me asking...

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