Abusive and Cruel Clinical Instructors: Why?? - page 4
Forgive me, but I've noticed on these boards when a student is afraid of a overly harsh clinical instructor, there seems to be a running theme: angry clinical instructors that embarrass students,... Read More
Jul 21, '09Occupation: Registered Nurse Specialty: ICU ; From: US ; Joined: Jun '09; Posts: 978; Likes: 1,210Nursing shortages = job security for veteran nurses
New grad hazing to the point of displacement = job security for veteran nurses
When left to their own devices, occupational trends require acquired skill to predict. Promoting an environment where abuse of human rights is nurtured and encouraged is risky, poisonous, and has the net effect of impacting occupational trends in an unsophisticated way. The more widely accepted, the larger the impact.
People who bully and abuse do so out of fear.
Fear of losing their job.
Fear of losing the respect of colleagues, subordinates, and/or superiors.
Fear of being shown to have inadequacies (so they go out of their way to point out the inadequacies in others).
The only way to overcome fear is to face it.
Bullies and abusers don't want to face their fears head on because deep down, they're cowards - which is why they allow their fears to rule their lives and their interactions with others in the first place.
Bullies and abusers see their fears resonated in people who shine brightly and the reflection is interpreted as a threat.
Bullies and abusers build webs of deception, emotional blackmail, and fear around them to protect themselves from being discovered.
They cope by extinguishing anyone who might, by presence and ability, challenge the status quo and alter the perceptions of the people caught in a bully or abuser's web.
Always remember that a bully is only as strong as the web of deception and fear he/she creates. When the threads are broken and a bully is left to fight his/her own battles, their fear will surface.
The only method I've found to be successful so far in dealing with bullies and abusers is to think three steps ahead.
I would recommend to ANYONE who is considering nursing as a career, read up on the psychology behind bullying and the common tactics of bullies. There are some excellent websites that discuss different abusive "profiles" and how to recognize and combat them. This is something that may or may not be taught in your . In case it isn't (most likely not), do yourself a favor and familiarize yourself with the climate you could be walking into. Don't walk blindly. Do not trust that it will be eutopic.
Best of luck to you all in your studies!!!
TriqLast edit by metal_m0nk on Jul 21, '09
Jul 22, '09Occupation: Registered Nurse Joined: Apr '07; Posts: 77; Likes: 11My last CI was a nightmare for all of us but one student. Everything we did she picked apart. Pre-conference she came in slammed down her papers and basically told us how crappy we were. I am not sure how I made it through the semester with her riding my you know what. However, on that note I think it made me stronger. I didn't kiss her rear like the other girl who was favored and I took her basically abuse all semester long, but in the end I realized you will end up working with some people who are total jerks in the real world and I don't know if she had a power struggle problem, but in the end I think I won, because I am stronger.
Aug 7, '09Occupation: TSS, substitute teacher From: PA ; Joined: Aug '09; Posts: 2; Likes: 1It's comforting to know that this kind of behavior is rampant. I had three nursing instructors who were, to put it kindly, on a power and ego trip. No matter what I did in clinical, it was incorrect. They were evil personified and belittled, berated, and intimidatedme in front of staff, other students, and patients. It got to the point where I was not sleeping and ended up crying every day. I could no longer function on the med-surg floor to the capacity of which I was capable. Two clinical instructors basically told me I am not cut out for nursing even though my academic record was about a 3.5 when the director, at the most evil instructor's suggestion, suggested I resign or I would be kicked out of school for unsafe practice for an incident for which I was blamed. This could not have been further from the truth, but will not expand on that one.
My point is that these very sick, egomaniacal instructors need to leave the teaching profession or change their acts before we lose more perfectly capable nurses and nursing students. It is NEVER okay to abuse someone else, be it a nurse, instructor, etc. HAVE THEY HEARD THERE IS A SHORTAGE OUT THERE?????????????????
Hopefully, justice will prevail.
Aug 7, '09Joined: Feb '08; Posts: 596; Likes: 474exstudent..thats sounds horrible...are you in another program now?
Aug 7, '09Occupation: Lab Manager From: SC ; Joined: May '09; Posts: 6; Likes: 1I was wondering how older students are treated by nursing instructors the same way. Being mature and experienced in the medical profession as well as life I won't take kindly to being mistreated. I think respect given deserves respect in return maybe I need to warm my lips up for kissing. Being adults people should take a mature stand for what is right in short the one in need of medical care.
Aug 7, '09Joined: Dec '08; Posts: 61; Likes: 44Quote from angel67I've seen it happen to students of all ages. They are unprofessional, through and through.I was wondering how older students are treated by nursing instructors the same way. Being mature and experienced in the medical profession as well as life I won't take kindly to being mistreated. I think respect given deserves respect in return maybe I need to warm my lips up for kissing. Being adults people should take a mature stand for what is right in short the one in need of medical care.
Aug 8, '09Occupation: TSS, substitute teacher From: PA ; Joined: Aug '09; Posts: 2; Likes: 1Dear IsItPossible,
No, unfortunately, I have notapplied to another school to finish up my last six weeks. Some instructors can sour you to ever pursuing a career again. However, I may just do it, anyway, being so close to the finish line.
Both students and nurses need to stand up for themselves and others that are being mistreated. And nurses are supposed to be patient advocates??? The patient is the bottom line, but when staff is being abused, it's a trickle down effect, and patients don't receive the best care possible.
Good luck to you!Last edit by Silverdragon102 on Aug 8, '09 : Reason: Tidy up to read better
Aug 8, '09Joined: Dec '08; Posts: 61; Likes: 44Quote from exstudentAgreed. These degenerates are wasting everybody's time. Instead of training nursing students to be good nurses, they are turning students off to the profession, wasting nursing school and hospital clinical spots, and importantly, they are needlessly depriving the profession and the public of future nurses.My point is that these very sick, egomaniacal instructors need to leave the teaching profession or change their acts before we lose more perfectly capable nurses and nursing students. It is NEVER okay to abuse someone else, be it a nurse, instructor, etc. HAVE THEY HEARD THERE IS A SHORTAGE OUT THERE?????????????????
Hopefully, justice will prevail.
Aug 9, '09Joined: Mar '09; Posts: 158; Likes: 289Quote from CuteLittleNurse2bI understand where you are coming from and in the past have said the same thing about a mean instructor I had. In fact, lots of people have said the same thing about a few of the mean instructors. But, I just realized right now that it did not make us stronger, it made us better able to tolerate ABUSE. Thicker skin? Yes. Stronger? Now, I don't think so. Because every time someone gets away with abusing you, a little piece of you dies. Yes your skin might get thicker, but its because YOU HAVE A SCAR THERE. Once you have been able to "take" abuse from someone you are better able to tolerate it the next time. So if that is what one means by strong I guess it fits. But that is not really strength.My last CI was a nightmare for all of us but one student. Everything we did she picked apart. Pre-conference she came in slammed down her papers and basically told us how crappy we were. I am not sure how I made it through the semester with her riding my you know what. However, on that note I think it made me stronger. I didn't kiss her rear like the other girl who was favored and I took her basically abuse all semester long, but in the end I realized you will end up working with some people who are total jerks in the real world and I don't know if she had a power struggle problem, but in the end I think I won, because I am stronger.
This is not to say that YOU are not strong. Its just that in reading this, and remembering I have said and though the same thing, that it is, in my mind, not really correct. I also said that being with my now ex husband that was abusive made me a stronger person. But, that is also not true. It is how I responded to his abuse, that is giving my best shot to let him turn it around and then when it became physical -leaving. That is what made me strong, MY response to the situation. And in the end being strong enough to leave a bad situation even if it met financial and other hardships. There is where my will and my strength grew.
This type of treatment of students by faculty is just not tolerated in other departments on campus. Why does nursing tolerate this? Is it because it prepares one for what will come in the actual job? I hope not. But I have seen a lot of nasty nurses and nasty working conditions and I am not even working in the field yet. Scarey.
Aug 11, '09Occupation: RN Specialty: Paramedic 15 years, RN now ; Joined: Mar '09; Posts: 144; Likes: 1061. Determine the treatment is actually happening by having a witness.
2. Speak to nurse in private explaining your feelings, BUT, use psychology and never put her on defensive, always use, "i feel, that I am, I feel that you are not happy with MY blah blah.."
3. Ask if there is anything you are consistently doing wrong and how you can improve. Make her slowly see the connection of your lack of infractions combined with her inconsistent treatment toward you.
4. Last option, take your witnesses and go to head of dept and tell whole story, perhaps the insturctor with get a "talkin too"
Sep 4, '09Joined: Sep '09; Posts: 2; Likes: 1I recently started a new semester of nursing school with a different CI, and am already seriously concerned that she is going to fail me. Today she continuously singled me out in front of my 5 other classmates. During our group meeting, she interrupted my report on my patient, insinuated that I was making stuff up about my patient's status, said I needed to work on it, and asked the next student to start her report. When I later pointed out to her that my patient did in fact have a condition that she just previously remarked she did not see, she completely dismissed the fact that she had embarrassed me in front of my classmates. Whenever we ask her questions, she always gives condescending, snippy remarks like "Well, yea." and "Obviously no." leaving us feeling stupid and on our own. She is extremely insensitive and will share things with the class that students have hoped she would keep confidential. Basically I have an instructor who makes us feel stupid when we ask her to teach. I don't know how I will ever learn how to properly document on my patient's progress unless I seek help from my other teachers. I actually considered going to our administrator about this, but do not want to start anything if it will only cause more trouble and no solution. I doubt that I can be transferred into another clinical group considering all the other CI's at our school already have more students than my own CI. I just have this awful fear that I will do well on my written exams and reports and still won't be able to continue nursing school, because my CI failed me.
Sep 4, '09Occupation: volunteer nurse From: US ; Joined: Feb '07; Posts: 533; Likes: 306Try and get through this rotation is the only advice I can give you. The instructor I had took something away from me so the previous post concerning them scarring you is very true. I find myself trying to stay under the radar now. I'm almost relieved when my new instructor is with someone else. But I've learned more in the last two weeks than I did that entire rotation. Our instructor used us as free CNA labor for her hospital.
What many of these schools really need to understand is that by allowing this to go on they are not producing a nurse with skills. They are producing a nurse who is already jaded to the profession, who feels that may never be confident. I am not going to take abuse again though. I will quit first. I had a nurse the other day jump all over my tush because of my allowing the patient the time to finish praying rather than interrupting the time alone with their priest and family. JMVHO but emptying the urinal and the basic care I needed to do could wait five minutes for the patient to have their spiritual needs met. I relayed the information to my instructor, and if I'm labelled as a troublemaker so be it.