Why LPN?? - page 6
i often wondered why some people choose to become an lpn verses an rn, or why go for a 2 year program and just not go for 2 more years to get your bs? especially with the threatened lpn layoffs, the... Read More
Apr 7, '01Occupation: Patient Education Specialty: 7 year(s) of experience in LDRP; Education ; Joined: Mar '01; Posts: 7,470; Likes: 56Originally posted by jo1998:
Here in NJ the pay difference isn't that much. After reading posts about salaries, I can happily say that I make more than RN's that posted. Our units are mostly staffed with 1 RN and 3 LPN's. LPN's are in demand in Phila., NJ, NY, what layoffs are you referring to? My practice allows me to practice the same as an RN, only difference is I can't hang the first bag of blood or push narcs. I find the only drawback is that the RN's purposely give the LPN's the harder, more time consuming patients. I get through this by concluding it is because of my skill, and am complimented by their laxidazial approach. Enlightened?????????
May 1, '01Occupation: DOULA / NURSE LPN HIV/AIDS Educator Joined: Apr '01; Posts: 340; Likes: 9Greetings Susy,
My rationale is simple! I was a HS dropout with a GED, my LPN school was the first to accept me wit that background and I did not have to have algebra! I have great people skills but thinking in that abstrct form of algebra messes with my small mind (order of operations, confusing without it you can not do Algebra). That is one of the rationales for my returning to get my ADN through the "REGENTS" program again no algebra! When I started school after about 2 months I knew that oneday to be happy I would have to be a RN!)
As a male, HS dropout at 15, Runaway at 16 and all that I never thought I would ever be a nurse. I had the dream of being since before puberty! Also I did not know the difference in RN's and LPN's! I went for my LPN when I was 28 and got it when I was 29! Yes I am sure there where other factors too, like I had 2 small children at home so time and money would have been one if I had the option of going for my RN back then.
I had started college in a Pre-Nursing program when I was 18 for a ADN but when I got to algebra and failed it twice (once dropped) I thought I could never be a nurse! Now I know differently! That failing grade raised havoc on my GPA it has taken my till now with 56 credit hours to raise it back to a respectable 2.9, I did not learn how to drop a class till after I needed to know!
I hope this explains about why I am a LPN and not a RN.
May 1, '01Occupation: DOULA / NURSE LPN HIV/AIDS Educator Joined: Apr '01; Posts: 340; Likes: 9Originally posted by C.LO:
<STRONG>I feel that LPN's are not neccessary for patient health care. I understand the rationale for certain hospitals to eradicate LPN's. I feel they are more of an added responsiblity to the R.N. Now concerning 2 year programs, I feel that some of the best nurses have come out of those programs. I graduated from a 2 yr program and continued on for my B.S.N. and it was an excellent transition for me. I do not regret my path, and I feel as If the 2 yr program prepared me more for the clinical responsiblity as a RN.</STRONG>
I only agree that ADN's prepare a different type of nurse than BSN's. The BSN prepares a Nurse who is ready to take charge and paperwork responsibilities. But I would put my bedside skills up agaist yours anytime and win, this I know!
May 1, '01Occupation: L.P.N. Joined: Apr '01; Posts: 141; Likes: 2Susy- I became an Lpn because I was told my act testing was not high enough for an ADN program. I was going threw a divorce and had a 3 year old to support so i went and got my LPN. i was out in a year and making enough to support us, I have been working on my ADN for years and since i have remarried and now have a 10 and 12 year old running me all over creation the regents program works for me for my completetion of my RN. Most if not all the Rn's i work with are very supportive of the Lpn and let's be real-we are in a nursing shortage would it be wise to get rid of the Lpn's? The Rn's are complaining now of overworked and patient ratio's, manatory overtime ect. I think C.LO has a behind the times idea most hosptials in my area have added the lpn's back into their hiring matrix and found out we are hard to find since the nursing homes and agencies are paying us anywhere from 15-21.00 an hour.
I enjoy what i do part-time in our local hospital and by the way we need Lpn's does anyone need a Job??? Come on over and work with us we Love Our LPN's. Suzy there will never be unity in nursing as long as there are organizations and R.N.'s who feel we do not belong in the system. Each level of nursing has it's own pitfalls. Don't be to hard on Iris she is only defending what we all love and that is Nursing. The statement that C.LO made was really just an ANA vision statement because they don't see L.P.N.'s as a part of the healthcare system and after how many years we are still here and still strong. When i graduate from Regent's I will still keep my LpN Liscense active.
May 2, '01Occupation: Patient Education Specialty: 7 year(s) of experience in LDRP; Education ; Joined: Mar '01; Posts: 7,470; Likes: 56Originally posted by res04lly:
<STRONG> Don't be to hard on Iris she is only defending what we all love and that is Nursing. </STRONG>
As far as Iris, I maintain my response to her and I'd like to argue that I too was only defending what we all know and love. It's just as wrong to generalize RNs as it is LPNs.
Mar 15, '03Joined: Mar '03; Posts: 486; Likes: 987I became an LPN because I wanted to be a nurse who just took care of the patients without ever wanting a desk job or more paper work. I thought that I could always go back to school to be an RN if I got tried of the bedside. Well, 45 years later I still love the beside and have no intentions of fully retiring. I am fortunate to be grandfatherd into a hospital which no longer hires LPNs for its speciality area such as ICU where I work. Since I have been working there for so long, I take my own assignment and can pretty much do everything an RN can except serve as primary nurse or charge nurse. By law an RN is supposed to read and sign my assessment too, which the charge nurse does. However, I've been doing this longer than many of our charge nurses have been alive and none of them actually read it. More times than not, RNs have asked me my opinion on what to do. Even though RNS have had more formal education, good nursing comes with experience and a keen intuition that I thnk we are born with. Before I was grandfathered, the hospital did try to get LPNs out of the ICUs and onto the floor or clinics. I kept bluffing that I was going to go back for me RN so long that they just kept me on board! Now I'm too old to go back to school and honestly, I don't think that I would learn all that much that I dont already know. Time and experience are the best teacher.
Mar 15, '03Occupation: New RN Grad... Just passed NCLEX.. Working on a Ortho floor Joined: Nov '01; Posts: 1,616; Likes: 37Well I chose to 2yr ADN route.. Why?? Because the college is 15mins away from my home, whereas the BSN program is 3hrs away... The community college also has a LPN program, but I don't want to be a LPN I want to be a RN, so I figured I might as well go for what I want...
The hospital I work at now still has LPNs, but several floors do not have LPNs on them.. I work on an Ortho floor, and the day shift usually has one LPN, who does nothing but pass meds... and on Evenings there are none.. Occasionally Staffing will call and ask if they want an LPN or another Aide, and the RN's always take the AIDE... I think this is mainly b/c most of our Ortho patients have IV meds, and it would be useless to have an LPN on the floor b/c they can't do IV's.. So I don't know.. I guess everywhere is different.
Mar 15, '03Occupation: grunt Joined: Jan '03; Posts: 262; Likes: 12I was a college student. I got married. We were broke. I needed something faster than a 4yr. degree. I enrolled in LPN school because it lasted for only a year. I graduated and began to work and started making a good salary.
I still want that college degree so I'm working on it. I will get my associates degree within a year, then I plan to move straight into the bachelors degree.
My education for LPN was only introductory IMO. In nursing you get back what you put in and for anything you learn there are a hundred more things that you need to learn. There are crappy LPNs and crappy RNs out there just like there are the ones who go "above and beyond". Still everyone has their bounderies and should stick with them and not be upset about it. You are the one who chooses your level of education, etc. I am not yet an RN so I don't expect to be viewed as one. A CNA is not a nurse, an LPN is not an RN, RNs are not NPs, NPs are not MDs, and MDs aren't God.
The money is not an issue with me. If I get a job as an RN that pays what I make today, but has better working conditions I will be ecstatic. Before someone jumps on me........I am not saying that RNs don't work as hard as LPNs or vice versa. My way above average paying LPN job is a total nightmare, but to make the salary I make there really are NO OTHER OPTIONS for me as an LPN. I've had better jobs, but the pay was not nearly as good. My schedule at my job and the salary I make enable me to continue my education without financial burden and without the usual time constraints associated with a M-F job. Basically I choose to become an RN because I know I have the ability to be a good RN and because of the satisfaction and greater career options associated with it.
Mar 15, '03Joined: Mar '03; Posts: 2I think that that when an RN poses this question it may be out of jealousy. The fact that LPN's make as much as RN's in some areas must tick some RN's off. One year vs two years of schooling and no justification. There are ALOT of different reasons LPN's do not go on and I think the reasons are COMMONSENSE. Everyone has different life situations obviously. I graduated last May as an LPN and have recently decided to go on for my RN. My take was "get out and work and see how this field exactly is. Why waste another year of your life if this field is not right for you? I've encountered the most horrendous nurses and often wonder if they are disgruntled because they HATE the field and feel that they are "stuck". I am soooooooooo tired of people in the medical field, a field that should be filled with warm, caring people, constantly at each other's throats. I am going back to school with the belief that I will find a job that is filled with nice, wonderful nurses, etc. I was so turned off to the nursing profession while still in school and with my first job out of school because of the "vicious" people. The LPN's at the hospital I worked at got treated like "nobodies" and the sad part was that they knew more in that field than the RN's (a new RN told me she would rather ask the LPN's on the floor a question over the RN's). These LPN's worked there for a long time. EXPERIENCE gives you skills not the classroom. Susie, I feel that you have a jealousy toward LPN's otherwise you wouldn't have posted that kind of question. Why do you care why LPN's don't want to go on for their RN degree? YES it is great to have your RN, there are more benefits........like not being belittled by bitter RN's! Iris was 100% right in her post to you. You didn't have to say LPN's are useless, you did a great job INSINUATING(sp.) it! I think everyone can "read between the lines!"
Mar 15, '03Occupation: LPN (med/surg/ER) vol. Fire, Rescue, EMS Joined: Aug '02; Posts: 25; Likes: 3OK, this is one thread I would prefer to never see again...
LPN's are an essential part of the health care team, period! Would I be happy with that scope of practice? No. But thats just me. I have worked with some wonderful LPN's over the years. I have also worked with some absolutely terrible RNs. I chose to become an LPN to gain greater experience while working on my BSN. But not everyone chooses that path and thats fine. And please, every day someone asks me why I'm a nurse and not a PA. 4 years is 4 years right. So Suzy, why didn't you become a PA? Get my point? We need CNAs, LPNs, RNs, all of us. In fact the only place I dont see a shortage is administration! LOL A little more unity and maybe we could affect a positive change for our profession. Just a thought, and much love everybody!
Mar 15, '03Occupation: LPN Joined: Nov '02; Posts: 472; Likes: 1[QUOTE]Originally posted by C.LO
I feel that LPN's are not neccessary for patient health care.[QUOTE]
I don't think Suzy did anything wrong. THis statement is what got some ppl upset. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but such a simple statement can say alot.
I love working w/ ppl. I love what I do.I get to help ppl in a way I never could before.
I would ABSOLUTELY LOVE the opportunity to get my RN, but for now, it's just not feasible.
I have worked beside some AWESOME RN's who have helped me so much along the way, and to be honest, I feel as equals (for the most part) because we are looking at the same goal and work as a team... not seperates.
If i have offended ANYONE...I apologize in advance.Last edit by CraftyLPN on Mar 15, '03
Mar 15, '03Occupation: LPN in LTC Joined: Sep '02; Posts: 600; Likes: 9Just want to say I am an LPN, and proud to be one. I make 18.59 and hour (just got a raise). In every newpaper around this area there are jobs for both RN and LPN. As I have always said, it is teamwork. We need to work together. We need to stick together no matter what level of education, or what initials are in front of the N for nurse.
Mar 15, '03Occupation: Patient Education Specialty: 7 year(s) of experience in LDRP; Education ; Joined: Mar '01; Posts: 7,470; Likes: 56Originally posted by ER hippie
So Suzy, why didn't you become a PA? Get my point?
I guess I don't see what's so offensive when people question me about my career choice. When they ask me why I became an RN or why I didn't go to medical school or even currently, why am I in grad school and NOT going for an NP, I simply explain my reasonings for my choices.
I am not a PA because I enjoy the nursing aspect vs the medical model. I also wanted to work in labor and delivery but did not want to be an obstetrician. I loved science and was actually a biological major, even sat for the MCAT *just in case* to keep all my doors open, but I didn't feel the rewards for being a doc were worth the investment. In fact, had I gone to medical school I probably would have been a pathologist. I have varying reasons for alot of things and I guess I don't mind people asking me.