Verbal, Written warnings and Termination - page 9

I know a lot of healthcare employees are worried or concerned they may be on the ladder from a verbal warning to written warnings and then fired. For many, this is not an unrealistic fear it is... Read More

  1. by   Ed Med
    Hey everyone Ed Med here. I'll be quite honest with all of you. I have been a Registered Nurse for over 15 years, and not to sound negative, but nursing SUCKS! Now don't get me wrong, to be a Nurse is a kool thing, an honerable profession with a slight of prestigue. The things we are allowed to do, the people we help.,.beautiful, right? But how about all you incompetent little managers walking around, oh especially in home care, where the nurse managers, you know the dying breed, go and exert their power like it was granted from Zues. I use a mythalogical figure because that is the extent of their real positive influence. How do they really think they are making a difference? Don't they realize that leadership is not a function of position (as said by Stephen Covey in his book The 8th Habit). How about this, get to know your staff, especially early on; judge less and support for success more. Get over your self loathing, full of your own agenda and insecurities. We are all trying to accomplish the same thing. So about this verbal, written warning BULL*%#@. Stop trying to make people conform. Be a leader by character, faith and example and you will find your employees doing whatever you ask, even before you ask it. There isn't a nurse shortage, only a shortage of nurses who are willing to put up with todays BULL*%#@ from other nurses with a title, and a hundred letters after their name. Big Whoop!
  2. by   violets ripple
    I like what you said here esp. the quote about leadership. Around here, leadership = loudest. The louder a nurse is, the less others are willing to counter. This proved to be terrible business. Yep, here Loud = right or correct. Our politics should never be brought to work. My opinion. There is Karma.
  3. by   violets ripple
    Hi Wondern. I'm sorry you got suckered into playing Joan of Arc for the others who were in the same situation as you. In groups, there is always one who takes the complaints of others to heart and goes out on the limb, to be witnessed crashing to the ground, by the once crying, still employed nurses. That's just the way groups are. The venting gives them enough release to continue. I appreciate your tenderness but in a group, MYOB is always good advice.
  4. by   wondern
    The thing is... my work environment is my business.

    Also, the other thing is, it wasn't the same for everyone else. They weren't being written up for nothing as often as possible! Oh well, that was a long time ago. I don't have the time or energy to even go there again right now. Its too pretty outside to waste another minute of my life even thinking about that uncaring workplace.
  5. by   losbozos
    They can't ask if a person is eligible for rehire, anymore. I checked with HR and one of my ex-supervisors.
  6. by   losbozos
    Hello everyone. I just re-read some of the posts and something occurred to me. There is a common theme thinly floating in a majority of the posts. First, please don't anyone take this the wrong way. Ed Med made a very good point. As I see it, the first reaction/feeling/whatever of many of us (that have gone thru this bullying BS) is disbelief. Complete and utter disbelief that slurs to our reputation are being verbalized and.... worst of all, believed by many and almost nurtured by our supervisors. After processing this crap we then move to the anger phase of our journey. We feel powerless against this force; not sure how to deal with it and become very angry. And this probably doesn't help when the perpetrators calmly watch us spin ourselves into a tizzy. Then, it seems like we almost slide into a helpless/passive phase. We use words like, "I can't let them bother me", "I'm above it", etc., ya'll know what I'm talking about. I think (because we're nurses) we can BS ourselves into not wanting to make waves while the psychopaths (yes, that's what I said) continue their self entertainment of bullying, lying all under the guise of professional nursing. The fact that the joint commission has actually had to issue a sentinel alert for "behaviors that threaten patient safety" speaks volumes to me. I am suggesting that our gender, role in society, female dominated profession, and (alleged) co-dependent nature provides a firm foundation for this behavior and practice to proliferate. And I believe management is as deeply involved as the staff. And if I may speak generally, men don't seem to so this kind of thing. They get in each others face and yell and then it's over.
    When I was a fairly new grad in my first job, one of the more experienced day shift nurses proudly proclaimed, "I don't get mad; I get even!". And after 20+ years she's still there, getting even with anyone that gets in her way of her doing whatever.
    Why do we tolerate this???? I say something needs to be done about the bullies. And it's not going to be HR or the managers. These psychopaths are slippery, they document everything, start whispering campaigns, and do it till someone gets fired, quits, or they get bored and move onto someone else. I, for one have vowed to myself not to repeat or listen to gossip and will speak up when I hear it. I'm sure I've done my fair share of harm to someone, but not anymore. My experienced has ruined my life for a bit. It will get better and I hope I can get another job, soon. But I will never be the same person I was before this "assault" on my character, ethics, and practice. I've had to take ownership of my own behavior, as we must if we are going to try to end bullying. I once tried to discuss this with one of my problem people and she flat denied that bullying existed. There is no self awareness to them at all; no guilt. That's why I use the psychopath description.
    Horizontal violence in nursing needs to stop. Our profession is starving itself for lack of education and honesty. HR needs to get out of bed with administration and managers need to take a good look inward and stop tolerating write ups and other rumors.
  7. by   gypsy626
    wow ed med if I could give you a gross of KUDO's I would hell ya what you said is all true
    and I was a nursing supervisor I worked a unit, supervised nurses and cnas
    no one hated me but the 7-3 unit manager why? because I had treated my staff like I was brought up to treat people with RESPECT what they didn't know I taught them
    I had rn's with bsn's who couldn't do a simple picc dressing I taught them so they could teach someone else and all the while behind my back was the unit manager running to the don making negative comments about me to the point of dirty looks from the don when I came to work, I had no idea how paranoid the UM was I had fun we worked hard we got back stabbed I said see ya have a nice day you paraniod mouse and moved on and I am so happy I did
    thank you for a great post!!!!!
  8. by   nursemarion
    I don't think it is a matter of "too many letters after their names" or conversely not enough education to make them into professional managers. I think it is that many managers have learned to kiss-up and have risen into management only to wield power over others. They enjoy power rather than leadership which is a totally different thing. The Peter Principal by Laurence Peter says that "people will rise to the level of their incompetence". Perhaps that is why there are so many in power that should not be there.

    I have not worked under or with men enough to judge whether it is related to maleness or femaleness, but women learned to be rutheless in business from men. Men historically ran businesses and in order for women to break through the glass ceiling they had to become like men, which includes suppressing nurturing instincts. My husband who works in a plant full of men tells me all sorts of backbiting and nonsense that goes on, no different from the hospital.

    No, I am sorry to say that I don't buy the females are to blame thing. Nor do I buy that it is over or under-education. I think it is just mean people who make up a lot of the population. 20% of the people cause 80% of the problems. We know who they are in our workplaces, and they are everywhere.
  9. by   Psychtrish39
    I live in Washington and I moved here from the Midwest and quite honestly I have never worked with such unprofessional nurses in my life as out here. People here in general are blunt and unfriendly and pay lip service to politicial correctness and as you experienced, racial attitudes are everywhere but good to know I am not only one that has had trouble "fitting in" some places highjack you from day one like my last job. Thanks for posting...

    Quote from mendoza70
    I took a job at St Joseph's In Bellingham WAshington on MCU under *****..
    I and been away from the bedside for three years and had been working in the clinic setting . I have been a nurse since 1976 and know alot.

    I was two weeks into my orinetation when I was told I was"not a good fit"

    In my time there I was approached by one nurse who told me to "watch out" Another nurse told me that the President was a terrorist and made racial statements. The person I was orienting under was a good technician but not a good nurse. She was dictatorial and task orientented.
    SO I say to you if You want to take a job on MCU in Bellingham WAashington, "watch out"
  10. by   losbozos
    I couldn't agree with you more! I'm from the Midwest, too and have exactly the same observations. I truly believe this has been a major factor in my relationships at work. I'm almost ready to grab Todo and move back to Kansas. Tornados and all are still better than the attitude & behaviors tolerated in my part of the west coast. My straw hat is off to you and thanks for validating the weird factor.
  11. by   sassy10
    I have been in ur shoes and til this day i refuse to repeat what i hear it is amazing how the tongue can be a leathal weapon
    Last edit by sassy10 on Oct 4, '10 : Reason: wrong post
  12. by   sassy10
    Hello it has been a long time since i have been on this site but i was shocked to read ur blog. I recently finished school for LPN and switched position at what was my current job. Well while i was on shift one of the resident had a black eye the following morning. When I made my rounds throughout the night there was nothing out of the ordinary. I was placed on suspension through a hand written letter left for me at the time clock. After about 2.5 weeks the cna confessed to her wrong doing was arrested and is awaiting trial. Now i was called in 2 weeks after that to here "I'm sorry but we have came to the conclusion that there is no way you did not see a bruise on her face at 5am" my mouth fell open at this time i am thinking to myself how they will tell me what i saw. This aide completed her last round between 4 and 5 because she clocks out by 5. From what i learned in school all bruises do not show up right away. I am not blind and trust the information i was taught. Now a new job is telling me I can't get put on the schedule (after speaking to this other nursing home) until all of this clears up. My spirits were crushed, Is this what we go through all these long months of school, studying, headaches, and strains on my home life. Don't understand how people can be so evil. Really don't know what i could do about this. As of August 27, 2010 i have been at home without income.
    Last edit by sassy10 on Oct 4, '10 : Reason: missed a word
  13. by   Psychtrish39
    I am so sorry. I know its like sometimes you are just set up and thats right I bruise like a grape and it still takes a day or two for a bruise to show. Geriatric age patients bruise easier but it does take some time before the bruise shows. I have had patients have a fall and their skin looks uninjured and then the next night they are showing a bruise. I always document that no apparent bruising is noted at this time right after a fall to protect myself.
    If you were fired you can probably get unemployment I know in my state you could unless you are fired for gross misconduct and the employer must prove it. I wish you the best of luck. I know it shakes your whole foundation and I hope things get better soon.