Sexism in Nursing (a male point of view) - page 12

As a male in nursing, I feel that I am sometimes treated differently because of my gender. I believe that I am expected to carry a heavier patient load with less assistance from my female coworkers.... Read More

  1. by   sanakruz
    Ladies and Gentlemen- A man getting promoted over a more qualified woman is sexism. Nurses percived as service workers or maids is sexism. Female nurses percieved as "hot" is sexism.Asking a male nurse for physical assistance is not sexism.The above examples are overt. It is the covert part that is dangerously undermining to our profession. The things sjoe talked about in his post.The bad behaviors many nurses were taught as children that they carry on today can be attributed to sexism. There is no such thing as "reverse sexism" We all pay the price. Look and you will see.

    ERN- I have been trying to respond to your ugly story about the psych ward. It illustrated many problems which we can leave for another thread. Was it sexism? It was certainly gender bias.I have seen that type of scenario reapeatedly on psych floors (esp. subacute)I have even seen some guys get off on the jailer vs the jailed trip. Most of them were not nor ever will be nurse.
    If some one said to me that they would prefer a white nurse. I would hate that, really feel hate. But as Suzy previous thread about Watson style nursing so clearly pointed out you dont have to love your pt to be a good nurse. One should hate racism. Sepearate it from the pt. One should hate sexism in the same way. Do you see?
  2. by   Dayray
    Hmm Susy, Susy, Susy

    How many different ways can the discussion be shifted back to patient choice?

    I don't think that nurse's personal choice of health care will effect societies view of nursing and I don't think anyone should do something against their better judgment for the sake of proving any point. I do however take acceptation to the prejudice and bias upon which choices are made and I believe that those underling prejudice and the use of such things as associating the male nurses with child molesting do and will continue to have a negative impact on the publics view of nursing.

    And Nurse4kids . While as I said before I don't think anyone should tell you where to go for health care, I don't see your male doctor would confuse my daughter argument as valid. Your teaching should be about good touches (touches that are meant to help or protect) vs. bad touches (touches that are meant to hurt or embarrass) rather then race or gender.

    I also have to point out that your example still displays your thinking about men by your statement "Not one was by a female"
    Despite what you may think women do molest children and if your argument were to hold any water you would have to exclude both males and females from providing intimate care of your daughter. Unless your reasoning is based on the statistical incidence of molestation by males which you argue it is not.
  3. by   Q.
    Originally posted by Dayray
    Hmm Susy, Susy, Susy

    How many different ways can the discussion be shifted back to patient choice?

    How many ways do ya want?

    Ok, I see your point. As nurses for example, we can influence the public's perception of NPs if we in fact, utilize them for our own personal health care. We can promote public school by sending our own kids there. Sure. I agree with that.

    But..that's a hard nut to crack. (no pun intended). Sometimes, especially when it comes to kids or health, we make choices that aren't necessarily to promote an agenda, but simply, what we feel comfortable with. I don't see any way around that, unfortunately.
    Last edit by Susy K on Nov 21, '02
  4. by   nurs4kids
    I'm not asking you to validate my parenting choices. I'm confident in those, too. I was just trying to explain my reasoning to you, which you choose to not see.

    "I also have to point out that your example still displays your thinking about men by your statement "Not one was by a female""

    No, statement was based on fact, not on my thoughts. You were the one giving the statistics, I just gave you a set of statistics in my life. I have never denied that females molest children, but you do RARELY hear of this.

    again, we have moved from the topic to debate whether there actually IS sexism in nursing aimed at male nurses. I still have not seen examples that indicate nursing is more prejudice against males than females. Is it there?????
  5. by   Dayray
    To answer Nurs4kids question about sexism in nursing vs. sexism in other professions. Yes it is everywhere and yes psycnurse's observation that their is no such thing as reverse sexisum is true. sexisum is sexisum no matter who it is directed at.

    the thing that makes nurseing different or at least a good example of discrimination is that it is often portrayed as alright becuse it is directed toward men who are genarly portryed and have been guilty of sexisum in other professtions.

    Discrimination toward men in nursing canot be viewed as justice for the wrongs aginst women in other feilds or the world in general to do so would be to say that two injustices somehow cancel each other out.

    It's allot like two children fighting in the school yard. One hits the other and then the other hits back and they beat each other until they can't remember who what they were fighting about and any justice or who was wrong or Wright gets lost in the scuffle.

    By the same token the fact that men are often promoted more often or treated better by doctors does not cancel out the gender bias in nursing nor does it provide an argument of equality.

    And to Susy I'm sure you can come up with many dispersions but it still doesn't make this a patient issue

    For the 7th time _________(fill in the blank)
  6. by   Q.
    Originally posted by Dayray
    And to Susy I'm sure you can come up with many dispersions but it still doesn't make this a patient issue

    For the 7th time _________(fill in the blank)
    I thought I was seeing your point.
    Then rather than having me constantly guess at what you're trying to say and saying "Nope, that's not it" why not explain to me why you feel it's a NURSING issue alone, completely independent of patients.
  7. by   Youda
    I see some of you have joined the thread late, so you probably didn't read the first five pages. If you had, there are many examples of bias offered. How many do you need?
  8. by   Youda
    Susy K, it's not that patients or the public are not ALSO biased, or not. It's just that bringing in all the people who can/would/do have sexist attitudes in this profession and all the others, isn't what this thread is about. That's the point DayRay, I believe, is trying to make. It's like having a discussion about football and someone brings in examples about baseball. Yeah, they both have balls, but we were talking about FOOTball.
  9. by   LasVegasRN
    So now you're saying bias is the same as sexism?

    No one is disputing or arguing the fact that gender bias exists. DayRay keeps saying sexism is a nursing issue, yet doesn't say exactly how this is specifically a NURSING issue. We just keep going around in this circle of bias examples and patient choices.
  10. by   Dayray
    Susy I think you were seeing my point or at leat illistraiting it.
    This is not a patient issue becuase:

    1 no one has ever said that patients should not be allowed to choose their providers, no matter what their criteria

    2 patients don't have nearly as much problem with the male/female thing as nurses do. (yes sometimes patients ask to be cathed by same sex nurses but most of the time as I said before the nurse is uncomfortable becuase other nurses have conditioned them to do so) I work 3 - 5 12 hour shifts a week all in OB/GYN and patients don't ask for a same sex nurse in fact they request me becuse their friends tell them how well I cared for them. It just goes to show patients respond to how you care for them not gender as many belive

    3 If you scroll back threw this thread and others like it the "patient choice" argument has been used over and over to validate personal predjudice of nurses.
  11. by   Q.
    Ok. So, let's see if I can understand this.

    You're speaking from the perspective of nurses feeling men are not compassionate, etc etc - and they may project this attitude on to the patients. does this relate to me, as a nurse, believing male nurses are equally compassionate, skilled, etc but despite that, choosing a female nurse to cath me, or take care of me and my kid or whatever....because of my comfort with that?
  12. by   Youda
    Originally posted by LasVegasRN
    So now you're saying bias is the same as sexism?
    I'm not going to debate dictionary definitions, or get into semantics, Vegas. Again, this was on the first 5 pages. The original poster wanted to change the word "sexism" to "bias." But, as you know, once you post a title, it's there. So, whether or not Webster would agree, bias and sexism has been used interchangable ON THIS THREAD.

    Now, good night, ladies. (The guys all got bored and left us females to discuss how we aren't sexist or biased, and to prove it, we stopped listening to them several pages back)
  13. by   Dayray
    Well Susy what makes you uncomfortable about a man cathing you?