Professionalism and Credentials - page 10

OK, just some thoughts here so early in the morning (after work...) I've been thinking on how we can improve the image of nursing and a couple of thoughts come to mind. First, what do people... Read More

  1. by   gpip
    Originally posted by mattcastens

    Of course I don't believe that ... I was pointing out that the idea that ADN programs will solve the nursing shortage is not logical thinking. If making things easier was the answer, then a six month RN program would solve everything.
    may be I am confused but weren't the ADN, and LPN programs started because of nursing shortages. The LPN program because of WWII and the ADN as a pilot to see if more nurses could be produced kind of like an assemblty line. The point matt is trying to make is that the best thing for nursing would be for everyone to unite at one level. I am an ADN in a BSN copletion program and for me personally I have become a better nurse at the bedside since I started this, It is not just about the nursing side of things it is that I can better relate to all my patients. It seems that in every time this subject comes up it is the same people using the same excuses for instance ADN's score better on the N-CLEX. I do not know if I scored better and franly I do not care. Looking back I was basically taught only things that that appeared on the test in significant numbers the year before . The instructors skipped many disease processes because of this. I was told I needed to critically think, but was never taught how. Where I went to school I had professors who had not worked in the field in years. All my BSN professors worked regularly in the field the specialize in. I had people teaching me pediatrics who had never worked in pediatrics. You people call that a better education. If everyone becoming a BSN will not work in your opinion why does it work in North Dakota? Why is the Veterans administration changing its policy to all nurses working for the VA must be BSN prepared by I beleive 2004? Why has it always worked in the Military ? I know this will upset I few people But these are just A few points to ponder.
  2. by   Mijourney
    Hi. The sad fact is that we live in a world where we are judged according to certain characteristics or qualities whether that be our religion, culture, gender, ethnicity and so on. Certain mindsets are so ingrained that it does not matter how much education, skills, experience, popularity one has, greater than necessary obstacles have to be overcome because of disliked, unpopular, or unrespected qualities. This will go on until the end of time. But knowing this should not deter a fight for progress in other areas of our work.

    The truth of the matter is that knowledge is power, and there is a great emphasis on human intelligence today. We see that evident with the perhaps faddish increase in applications to the CIA and FBI. For example, how many nurses do you see being consulted as intelligence experts in the pop media. It's usually the doctors or lawyers. Even though their rankings are not as high as nurses, they are seen as being authority figures. Most nurses have a great deal of intelligence, skills, experience, but anytime the media or government writes or talks about intelligence or even great skills and abilities, its usually in reference to doctors. Nurses get accolades for our nurturing, supporting, and caring abilities. But then wasn't that what nursing was created for in the first place?

    In relation to the above paragraph, the other truth is that money is most powerful in the worldview. It rules most things. Nursing wouldn't be asking for more if this weren't true. Not all doctors are respected, but as a group, they are respected for their knowledge, skills, abilities, and experience. Therefore, they are deemed justified to receive more income, etc. etc. So, more education is not about PROVING oneself, it's about MOVING oneself into a position where he/she may receive even greater respect, if that's possible, along with all the other fringes. I feel that one of the best ways to accomplish this that nursing does this as a group.
  3. by   KC CHICK
    gpip, I'm so sorry that you feel that way about ADN education....especially since you went through that program yourself. Very sad.
    Every program is different whether it be ADN or BSN. Unfortunately, the individual college programs are not required to be uniform in the way that they teach their students. I feel that I recieved a good educational start, for my career in nursing, in my ADN program. There were instructors for the specialty areas that WORKED, and had experience, in those specialty areas. (OB, Peds, Psych) We were, as students, able to draw from that. We also had most clinical experiences in inner city and specialty hospitals. For example, we had our Peds clinical rotation at Children's Mercy Hospital here in Kansas City, MO. I got to work with patients that had very rare problems. One of my patients had billiary atresia.
    Kudos to you for continuing with your education. I'm glad that you feel you, and your patients, are benefitting from this experience.

    Good Luck
    Last edit by KC CHICK on Dec 2, '01
  4. by   Q.
    Personally, i feel there are WAAAAYYYYY too many variations to becoming a nurse - and that leads to public confusion, misconceptions and in-fighting about who's better. Hell, half of us don't even KNOW all the different tracks....let's see LPN, RN with an ADN, RN with a BSN, an RN, and RN with a diploma; completed in 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 years.

    Personally, I feel that picking ONE point of entry into nursing, such as the ADN to start, would simplify things a bit.