Nurses are Pathetic!! - page 5
I have been reading thread after thread on this forum and I have come to one conclusion. We are all a pathetic bunch. We take abuse that most other human beings would not put up with. We are... Read More
Mar 12, '07I'm having a hard time reconciling why you're mad at everyone else in the profession for your own lack of action. If you were upset at how the doc treated the newbie, you as an 18 year veteran in nursing should have felt comfortable enough- traveler or not- in stepping up and saying something.
If you want input in the policies of the facility you are working in, work there as permanent staff. If you don't want to charge for band-aids, rescind your yearly raise, because like it or not, taking things like that out of the room charge, can help redirect that money to your paycheck at times. Maybe they have to do that to be able to afford all the travelers they have. If they have old computers, maybe they also have financial dificulties.
Yelling docs- we can handle that with a little assertiveness, and with support from our co-workers.
Charging for bandaids- we have bigger fish to fry. Now, if you were talking about MOT or ratios, you might have a point.
Autonomy- it isn't handed out freely. We have to be vocal and advocate for that.
And I'm sorry, but I don't buy the argument that you couldn't say anything because you're a traveler. I'm a 10 year veteran, new on my unit, but still gave a doc "The Look," square in the eye after he started griping at one of the new nurses. He slunk back and shut up. I didn't have to say a word- just let him know I was witnessing his behavior and didn't appreciate it. He knew he was wrong, and apologized to her.
Change begins at home. I'm all for supporting someone who is burned out- been there myself. But, starting out with calling all of us pathetic is not the way to garner that support. By doing so, you're asking us to take being disrespected as professionals- just like your new coworker.Last edit by BBFRN on Mar 12, '07 : Reason: Wanted to add something.
Mar 12, '07I haven't read through the last three pages, so pardon if this has already been said: We aren't the only under-appreciated and abused profession out there. My husband is a cop and he gets dumped on from every direction. No one likes a cop until they need one. He doesn't get lunch breaks many days, his bosses are too busy kissing their boss's behinds to stand up for their guys, etc. I could go on, but that's for another forum.
To the OP: Sounds like you are working in a terrible hospital. I am so sorry for that. My mom has been an RN for 37 years, and I have made mental notes of her nursing career along the way. There have been hospitals she has loved and ones that she had despised. She worked in a hospital where they charged for everything, never had needed supplies, management did anything but manage, the few nurses that were there backstabbed each other...so on and so forth. So, my mom didn't allow herself to be abused! She left! And that's what you do when you're being abused! If the hospital is too stupid to do something to keep good nurses, then that's the hospital's problem! The hospital will go belly-up and open up the market for a new and hopefully better place to work.
There are better places. I work at one of them. My manager isn't perfect, but no one is. There are a couple of backstabbers, but we just ignore them. (Backstabbers thrive on the negative energy they create, so we deny them that). Overall, we work as a team. The docs definitely don't abuse us. We will not tolerate that from them. I stood up to a doctor not too long ago for being nasty! I'd do it again in a heartbeat!
Also, nurses don't "deserve" abuse. No one "deserves" abuse. In your original post, you said that we deserve better pay and working conditions, right? Hopefully things will shape up in the hospital in which you work. But don't sacrifice your happiness in the meantime. Find a place where you are appreciated!!!Last edit by ABQLNDRN on Mar 12, '07
Mar 12, '07Quote from lorsterI understand. I feel your pain. Our management recently cut our staffing but cutting back the techs, we RNs now have more to do with the same amount of patients. We're not passively accepting it. Meeting after meeting we've voice our concerns, basically to be told "if you don't like it, then leave". Then the next meeting we forced to attend is about our miserable cutomer service scores and what we need to do to improve it.Apathy is a good way to state this too but I have not lost passion for nursing, just the whole process that makes it hard to do my job. Yes, we need to adapt to change because health care and its delivery are changing but I cannot be in 7 rooms at one time. that is how many surgical patients I had to myself last week. My care greatly lacked and I went home feeling inadequate to do my job. This is not what I want to do for the next 20 years before I retire. And maybe some of you enjoy 7 surgicals, but I don't. It is not a safe practice but the hospital does not seem to care. I want to come home content that I did someone some good. My licence is hanging out the window at this travel hospital and I dread going back. I regret leaving my old hospital because at least working conditions are safe here.
It can be demoralizing and can make us a bit apathetic. Why do I put up with it? Somehow I've managed to keep some peace of mind about it all. But I have my moments similar to what you're going through right now.
I hope you're not feeling judged,(although your first post might invited it, but the other posts clarify it some and make me more sympathetic to your plight, with is the plight of many of us), because you deserve support and understanding. I understand. I am a nurse, boy do I understand.Last edit by Tweety on Mar 12, '07
Mar 12, '07Quote from lorsterYou are the traveler and so you HAVE to be silent!?!?!?We all stood around and allowed him to carry on and reduce her to tears. And I am as guilty as the rest but I am the traveler and had to be silent.
You must be joking.
I have been traveling for 5 years, and have a platinum reputation. I don't whine at work about the small stuff, work hard and garner alot of respect from my peers.
I am currently in an assignment that ranks as THE WORST ASSIGNMENT/JOB of my life. In 16 hospitals. And if you figure that I have also been a bartender and worked in a liquor store, where I was held up at gunpoint...that says alot.
One thing that all this gives me is a sense of power.
I hate my assignment....do I really give a crap if they fire me? I would probably kiss feet if they fired me. I have great credentials from some of the greatest facilities in the country.
Now, I don't work at being a jerk and I treat every one of my coworkers politely and well - they are nice and it is sad, what they deal with here. And, worse, they will have to continue to deal with "here" after I leave. They deserve my prayers.
But, you know what, when Dr. X acts like a total %^&* for no good reason, I have no problem with ticking them off. I have the freedom because I really don't have as much as staff to lose.
Mar 12, '07Quote from caroladybelleYou are the traveler and so you HAVE to be silent!?!?!?
You must be joking.
Well the op did admit to being guilty as the rest of them. I give props there.
However, I also agree with you, being a traveler is no excuse for silence. Some of the most vocal critics I've come across have been travelers. For precisely the reason you say: they have nothing to loose and could not care less if they ever came back to our facility.
Mar 12, '07Oh My God!!! Finally some brave,honest soul who expresses total honesty about this "profession." I totally agree with you, Lorster. I've been a staff nurse on an oncology/med-surg floor for almost 9 years, and I feel that RN's are basically treated like "poop" by Md's, Nurse managers, fellow nurses, pt's, family members, etc., etc. the only thing keeping me there is the paycheck.
Mar 12, '07I hate working with people who are just in it for the paycheck because you can tell exactly who they are. If it is that bad and you hate it that much then get out. Just a thought.
Mar 12, '07I dunno. Corporate America wasn't so different. The meetings Tweety just described - whenever my last (big) firm did those it was because some department that was being sold off - with unemployment looming - had low morale and bad performance so we'd have a YEE-HAW! happiness consultant brought in.
One has to remember, too, that it's the rare poster who comes in here because things are going fabulously. A few months ago I was unjustly fired and my posting and ranting-to-raving ratios were a perfect reflection of this. I like my new spot and we are well staffed and supported and, wow! I'm not posting nearly as much. To use this website as an accurate reflection of nursing's pulse might be a tad bit skewed.
Mar 12, '07I'm sure you couldn't tell that I'm just in it for the paycheck. I'm a very compassionate, hard working, efficient nurse. I take care of oncology pt's. for goodness sake!! I'm just tired of all the disrespect, o.k? You shouldn't judge people--you're a nurse.
Mar 12, '07Quote from blue2007I also second that motion. Nurses ARE pathetic. Nurses DO just bend over and take it. I have been a nurse for 31 years, and I have seen time after time when nurses were handed more crap than any one should or would take. And we just bend over and accept it with a "Weell, that is just the ways things are. It is the 'wave' of the future".Oh My God!!! Finally some brave,honest soul who expresses total honesty about this "profession." I totally agree with you, Lorster. I've been a staff nurse on an oncology/med-surg floor for almost 9 years, and I feel that RN's are basically treated like "poop" by Md's, Nurse managers, fellow nurses, pt's, family members, etc., etc. the only thing keeping me there is the paycheck.
When a nurse comes along with a vision to make things better, do other nurses support this nurse? No way! The other nurses are shaking in their boots at the very thought of defying managent. Or taking a stand on an important issue, under the guise of, "well who will take care of MY patients, if I am not there to do it?"
Nursing continues to recruit what becomes the "martyr marys", who think that patient care begins and ends with them. Who refuse to acknowledge that it is the hospitals' responsibility to provide care givers for the patients. And who would refuse to take a stand. Hospitals are who the patients have contracted with, not the individual nurse.
These nurses who do try to change the system and make it better, are "socialized out", and end up leaving in disgust, leaving the "martry marys" to "carry on" their holy mission. And nothing ever changes. And this goes for nursing school as well.
Nurses SHOULD be taught in nursing school how to deal with administration, by taking classes in Employment Law, and Administrative Law. And "role play" speaking to "nurse managers", "adminstration" to be able to "win". The knowledge, and skills that these classes would give to nurses would go along way to improving things at the bedside. Knowledge is Power! Along with business classes on starting a business. PTs and OTs take classes like this while they are in school. There is not enough time in a Diploma program or an ADN program to include these "quality of life" classes. And nurses are, and will, continue to suffer, because of it.
Including these kinds of classes would go along way to eliminating or minimizing the effects of the "marty marys", who are preventing nursing from going a step further to becoming a profession, that is should be.
I have toyed with the idea of starting a class in colleges, and in local seminars, with these ideas in mind. Partner with an Employment Lawyer, and go on a national tour, like Laura Gasparis did with "Revolution Magazine", and classes. I could reach nurses all over the country, and empower them with the skills to take control of their nursing profession. Unfortunately I think that I would be shut down by the local "powers that be", who the schools of nursing are beholdened to. They certainly would not want "their" nurses minds' "poisoned", would they? JMHO.
Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
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