Nurse Impersonators - page 14
:( Am I the only one who resents the "nurse impersonators" who abound in the health care field? Everyone who works at a doctor's office or in a hospital wears scrubs and seems to pass... Read More
Feb 11, '02HUGANURSE: YOU ARE OFF KEY WITH YOUR COMMENT BUT IT IS OKAY ........JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION AND TO ALL WHO THOUGHT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE AN ARGUEMENT NO I WAS NOT JUST ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION........
THANK YOU MATTSMOM FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION....
Feb 12, '02As for nametags, I guess it's a difference between women and men (as my fiancee would say). I couldn't care less if my last name were visible. I'm not worried about stalkers. After all, most docs have their last names visible.
Feb 12, '02I never worry about last names because if some crazy stalker is going to get me he knows where I work.
I had REGISTERED NURSE embroided on all my uniforms in big letters in a contrasting colour. It works quite well.
Feb 12, '02It happened to me last December.
I had graduated as an RN 6 months before. I had worked as a nurse GPL all summer, but when Fall came around, my contract was not re newed cause I didn't have my licence yet (I ended up getting my licence 2 days after!). I had to go back as a nurses aid, until another nurse contract was offered. (I was back as a NA till just over a month ago)
I was working on a floor, as a nurses aid. There was another nurses aid, who was supposed to be working with me. But I hardly even saw her, she was with the RN all night, majorly "playing nurse".....taking BP's which she was not allowed, getting too involved /c nurse pt care. Myself as a NA, I worked as an NA, even though I was really an RN, this killed me, but I had to do it.
I asked her if she was a nurse like myself, it sure looked like it! She said yes. Turns out she was not!!!!
A few weeks later, I got a nurse contract, and guess which floor they sent me to!!! Ironic! She didn't say a word to me.
I worked very hard for over 5 years in nursing school, while being 100% independent financially. It makes me mad when others that didn't go through all that schooling, act like they have the title.
Feb 12, '02I am a student Practical Nurse and work part time in a long term care facility. I am not aware if there
Boy have you all given me an education with this forum! I am a student practical nurse working in a long term care facility as a PT/OT aide. I don't know if there is a problem with non-nurses impersonating licensed nurses or
not, probably because it never occurred to me that people would want to do this. After reading this
forum I will certainly be on the lookout for staff that is working beyond their scope of training and legal practice.
Also, maybe this is incredibly naiive of me, but what about asking our inservice coordinator (who is a
RN) if we could have a staff inservice on this subject. Is this a bad idea? Does anyone have any advice on how I could approach this?
Feb 12, '02P.S. That was my first posting and you can see what a mess I made of it!!! Hope you all can read it to reply.
Feb 14, '02I did not realize that there were so many different job levels involved in patient care until I became a CNA.
I have been referred to as "nurse". When this happens, I explain that I am a nurse's aide and not a nurse. If they question me further, I explain the difference. I feel that all aides have an obligation to clarify this. If a patient asks me a question outside of the scope of my job, I refer that question to their nurse.
I have worked with many aides who refer to themselves as "nurses". I would not mind it if all aides wore the same color . I think this would be less confusing for patients and their families if unlicenced personnel were easier to identify and easier to differentiate from licensed personnel. It would also make it more difficult for unlicenced personnel to impersonate nurses.
I completed an 80-hour course and passed a certification exam to become a CNA. The 80 hours of training I had in no way equates to the amount of education and training required to become licensed as a LPN or RN. I enjoy being an aide. I have never envisioned myself as a nurse, nor do I think I will ever pursue nurse's training in the future.
I sometimes wonder if it would help to take less of a hierarchical approach and more of a team approach to patient care. I'm not saying that aides should not be supervised by nurses. I think they should be supervised. What I mean by "team approach" is acknowledging that each job level performs an important role in contributing to the overall care of the patient.
Many aides come from very limited educational or socioeconomic backgrounds. To them, obtaining a certification as a Nurse's Assistant is a BIG accomplishment, but many aides do carry it too far and try to be something they're not.
I do believe that nursing is a profession. I do not think that, as a nurse's aide, I am a "professional" or a part of the nursing profession. I do feel, however, that aides need to conduct themselves in a professional manner. This does not mean trying to be a nurse, it means being courteous, treating others with respect, doing your job and acting in a mature manner.
I don't know the solution to this problem. I think there will always be unlicensed assistive personnel who try to pass themselves off as nurses.
Feb 14, '02135ctv:
Your post is thoughtful, intelligent and articulate. A true welcome and a wonderful, mature attitude. If only all CNAs were taught this mentality.
Maybe being an instructor is in your future?
Feb 14, '02Thank you. I have helped to orient aides in the past and have enjoyed that. I think that I would also enjoy being an instructor, but to do that requires that I be an RN. I think that my interest lies more in being an aide than pursuing nurses training.
I perhaps have a different outlook because this is a second career for me. Prior to becoming an aide, I earned a master's degree and worked in the business world for 20 years. This is something that I always wanted to pursue, and I'm glad I made the change. I have been a CNA for approximately one year now and have no desire to return to my previous profession.
Feb 14, '02Wow - you have a Master's and you CHOOSE to work as an aide? Hats off to you - you must truly love to work with people hands on to take the pay cut I'm sure you took. I hope when I am sick, you (or someone like you) will help care for me!
Feb 14, '02Thanks. After 20 years of sitting in a cube staring at a computer screen, I really welcome the chance to interact with people. It took about five years from when I first thought of becoming an aide to when I actually left my job and enrolled in the CNA course. During that time, I did research other career options (including becoming a nurse), but did not find anything that I wanted to do as much as becoming an aide. (I also took that time to put myself in a position financially so that I could live on an aide's salary. It would be difficult to support myself as an aide if I also had to pay rent, credit card bills, etc.)
I wondered at first if I should even post to this site, since I am not a nurse. I enjoy reading the posts and I think that if I can have a better understanding of what nurses experience, it will help me to have a better working relationship with the nurses I interact with.
Everyone wants to and needs to feel that their job and their contributions are important. I feel that I am doing something important. I help to keep people clean, I make sure their hair is arranged and they are dressed nicely, I encourage them to eat and to keep adequately hydrated, I talk to them and listen to them and let them vent when they are upset about something. In the past year, I have learned a lot from aides who, while they had very little formal education, were very caring.
It is also important to prepare hot, nutritious meals, but I have no background in dietary. It is important for residents and patients to reside in clean rooms. Looking at the state of my own house, I envy the way that many housekeeping and maintenance personnel can keep facilities clean and functioning.
As I stated before, I am not a nurse. While I can and do report changes that I see to nurses, I in no way have the background to assess a patient's condition or to provide medical advice.
My point is: try to look at this as a team approach where the goal is providing good overall care for each patient/residents. Every position and every individual has strengths and weaknesses. Every position is important. Focus on trying to be the best aide, nurse or housekeeper that you can be. Trying to pass yourself off as something you're not only shows your insecurity and detracts from providing care. It can also be dangerous to a patient/resident if you are trying to do something that you are clearly not qualified (or legally allowed) to do.
Feb 14, '02135CTV, I can tell by your post that both coworkers and patients alike must LOVE it when you're on duty!
Hope you don't rule out a future teaching or a management position in the medical field as you would have many opportunities. Your masters degree will go a long way. Quite a few nursing schools now offer special training 'fast tracks' to students with college degrees. (There is a shortage of nurses at the bedside) I'm glad you enjoy your assistant role now and wish you well in your future..post away!
Feb 14, '02To be honest, there are and have been coworkers who do not love it when I am on duty.
I have reported aides to the charge nurse who were referring to themselves as "nurses" and advising patients as if they were nurses. (This is why I was initially interested in reading this thread). I have also reported aides who spoke to residents in a disrespectful or abusive manner. This does not endear these aides to me. (One even threatened to lay me out in the parking lot). Then again, its not a popularity contest.
Ideally, the best situation would be to have a good relationship with your coworkers and to provide optimal patient care. But, when I am forced to make a choice between "getting along with" or pacifying and aide and doing what is best for the resident, I'll pick the resident every time.
I have had aides say that I am slow on rounds. I am much slower than someone who sticks a bare hand on a bedpad to see if it's wet and, if it is, pulls the bedpad out and moves on to the next room. It does take longer to stop and wash your hands, put on gloves, explain to the resident what I'm doing, remove the wet pad, clean the patient and check for skin breakdown (which would be reported to the nurse). It's not a race. As long as my rounds are completed by the end of my shift, I feel I have done my job. It is more important to me to keep my residents clean and dry than it is to rush through a hallway so that my coworker can finish earlier and have a longer smoke break.