NP discusses MJ on national TV ????

cardiacRN2006, ADN, RN · Jul 5, 2009

quotes from cardiac rn 2006, with replies
"calling herself a nurse? if she has a license (and an np at that) then she is a nurse." have you checked her license with the ca bon?
".......a fan club teenage would have screamed" oh.
"secondly, you don't know what happened, at all. this is all second hand information that is probably filled with half truths." that's true.

seriously? i need to check her license? :yawn: i would think that they media checked her license during thier verification of thier sources...

sigh...

but, here you go, if it makes ya feel better..

http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/wllqryna$lcev2.queryview?p_license_number=537&p_lte_id=824

licensee name:lee cherilynlicense type:nurse practitionerlicense number:537license status:active definitionexpiration date:march 31, 2010issue date:licensed prior to 1987county:los angelesactions:no

also, lamaze... there's a quote button on the bottom left of each post. using the quote button makes it easier for people to read and understand posts in which you might be referring.

sonnyluv · Jul 5, 2009

Seems like everybody is doing EXACTLY what we hate having done to ourselves when a mistake happens.

The blame game.

This woman, a N.P., encountered a patient who had an addiction to various medication. The patient specifically requested diprivan, which the N.P. could not provide.

From what I've heard, the description "hot on one side of his body and cold on the other" sounds an awful lot like acute withdrawal. Perhaps the patient had just ran out of his supply OR had been receiving high dosages for such a long time that he was in a perpetual state of withdrawal which is what happens to patients who are given innappropriately large doses of opiate/benzo medication.

Legally, she was obligated to perform an assessment and rule out life threatening acute distress, i.e. hypertensive crisis from the withdrawal or suicidal ideation. If no life threatening situation existed SHE WAS LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO DO NOTHING OTHER THEN A PEP TALK AT THAT TIME.

That's it guys. It appears at this point that the patient was being over medicated by multiple MD's or what a lot of us have come to know as "doctor shopping" i.e. getting pain meds for perpetual abdominal/ back pain from different , unknowing physicians. As an N.P. (I'm not clear in what capacity she was performing this position), even if she suspected prescription drug abuse she was not obligated to investigate, even if multiple pill bottles were lying around as a reason for the multiple prescriptions is feasible.

Would we hope as fellow R.N.'s that she would take the initiative to call the M.D's and evaluate the situation then call their respective licensing boards.

Of course in hind sight all of this is obvious but lets stop blaming. And we all know that our profession, on many levels of the chain caters to "V.I.P.'s". It's not illegal to be an addict, it's not illegal to be Michael Jackson.

It's illegal to irresponsibly prescribe pain medication but then again, it's not illegal to have a team of doctor's or recieve an I.V. in one's home.

Final point: She covered her bottom on tv, but we don't know what she knew at the time. Sounds like a one time incident, do we know how long she was his provider?

And HIPPAA rights after death are debatable as her lawyer no doubt advised her of this before she went on national tv. And to the general public: she shed a tear, she felt his pain. She appeared sincere. From a PR standpoint, that's one for the nurses, doctor's lose another round as they are all in hiding. Though we know that she -most likely-was lacking in professionalism. Did she know about the fake patient names- we don't know. We know NOW he had a celebrity sized addiction.

cardiacRN2006, ADN, RN · Jul 5, 2009

screamed.

petty.

(but, i bet you get that a lot, don't you?) :lol2:

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Jul 5, 2009

Merged threads...

ronshelle1 · Jul 8, 2009

I watched that on television also and was totally ******! That's why I don't believe her story. Either she's lying about being a NP or she's lying about treating him because she should know darn well that she can't discuss his medical info! And I doubt if the estate gave her permission to discuss. The Jackson's are a VERY private family.

Wishinonastar, BSN · Jul 8, 2009

I suspect that this speech she gave was a strategic move by the Jackson family to paint a picture of Michael that will help soften the blow for the autopsy results. She knew she could not break confidentiality, and you can bet she has a lawyer advising her. I bet she did have their permission, but this will definitely affect her future as a nurse. You notice the doctors are not saying too much. It is sad and it is against the law that celebrities are treated differently, as though they have no right to privacy at all. It is a shame, but I guess unless they push the issue themselves things will never change. I think sometimes famous people feel it is better to have bad publicity than be forgotton. The more they are in the limelight the more money they make.

ronshelle1 · Jul 8, 2009

Your reply makes a lot of sense. Yes, now I could understand why she would feel free to speak out.

pagandeva2000, LPN · Jul 8, 2009

While it is obvious that I am a fan of Michael Jacksons talent and positive impact, I can also say that he is responsible for part of what happened. Maybe he was mentally incompetent due to his upbringing and the influence of script drugs, but he did initiate much of the eccentric propoganda such as allowing press releases of purchasing the elephant man's bones, sleeping in the hyperbaric chamber, the monkey, etc... Also, there could have been just as many medical professionals that said 'no' to him the same as those who said yes and catered to his whims. It seems that he made it his life's goal to find someone to give him the drugs he wanted. Then, when the negative press came out and album sales decreased, he didn't seem to be able to handle it very well. And, we can't make ANYONE take care of themselves, or make anyone more concerned about them, no matter how much money they have. Apparently, all of the money in the world did not encourage this cardiologist to sit with him the ENTIRE time that fateful night to monitor him, or to even practice proper CPR on him (wasn't the story that the doctor found him this way? If he were supervised the whole time, the doctor may have been able to see he was under distress). And, it makes me wonder...most times, a person would have hired a nurse to sit and monitor a patient, but since this drug was illegally available, the doctor probably didn't want another person with a medical background around to possibly report it.

I don't doubt that this woman is a licensed nurse, but I do question her public announcement. Why NOW? She should have called for assistance, for sure. I really don't believe she should have spoken about this on television from an ethical point of view. I think it is for the 15 minutes of fame and probably got paid.

StrbryJelo · Jul 8, 2009

I was not aware that HIPPA laws protect info after you die. Of course, there are lots of things I'm not aware of. I know medical privilege (md/pt confidentiality) ends with death, so why not HIPPA? To give up info the way this person did can be tacky, but is it violating laws?

pagandeva2000, LPN · Jul 8, 2009

There do exist words for how I feel about this but it's difficult to say it such that it does not violate the TOS. ANYhow, I'm pretty ticked off that because one freakazoid celebrity managed to not only do drugs but get ahold of general anesthesia medication, we now have little ole diprivan in the national spotlight as a drug of abuse.
In general, and sometimes as glaring individuals, people are STUPID. We are! They are! It's a fact, but for the love of all that is holy, I see that in the future we will be having more difficult access to diprivan and have another dagflabbit piece of paper for two nurses to fill out in order to throw away diprivan, for pete's sake. Yep. One famous idiot dies and the nurses get more work. Why stop mollycoddling the general public there? You know all drugs can kill you, even oxygen, right? OMG the public didn't know that?? Well we have to do something! Quick make the nurses double check each other when they put O2 on a patient! Oh oh oh and make them sign off each other's meds, ALL of 'em. Without having more nurses, too. We got to save money in this economy, you know.
Yep. Stupid. I'm not sorry if I offended any fans, either. I didn't like the celebrity in question in the first place, and now that there's a possibility his death will cause my work habits to be affected, I have only blistering hostility to cast that direction. Dumb people are everywhere, unfortunately things only become interesting when they happen to famous dumb people.

I can say that even as a fan of Michael Jackson, I respect your candor and did not think of the other aspects you mentioned, such as more complications in our already burdensome careers. And, it is true, that VIPS in general can, have and always will make our lives miserable. Thanks for bringing that up, I would be interested to know how this impacts on obtaining Diprivan for even the right purposes, now.

Nurse6412 · Jul 8, 2009

Drug addiction is a disease. I was told that all of us have "one" in our family. As quiet as its kept - This is true. If not in our family possibly -a close family friend. It is some one we work with - go to church with - SOMEONE! Nurses -Would you actually discuss their disease with the media? After death ? Golly! Mr. Jackson - despite any opinions - is still a human being that deserves respect. As nurses - aren't we held at a higher standard? Golly again!

avillion23 · Jul 8, 2009

In the interview I saw with her, she said that Michael Jackson asked her to get him Diprivan and she told him, "If you take that, you may not wake up." When his aide called and Michael Jackson was in the backgroung complaining about his half hot/half cold body, she told him to get to a hospital. She didn't know why his body was like that. Who knows if he was on Diprivan at the time?
Now that whole, "he was not a drug addict he just wanted sleep" nonsense....I've had insomnia. You know what I took? 50 mg of Benedryl! Oxycontin, Demerol, nor Diprivan even crossed my mind!

I completely agree with you. I don't see how everyone is pointing a finger at the NP. She is only relaying what the patient wanted her to provide, she is not disclosing that he was technically taking Diprivan. I guess everyone's perception is clouded by his celebrity. Anyone who requests a drug that harsh to fall asleep, IS a junkie, druggie, etc..... Can't be denied and frankly I am disturbed that he is being held up so much by the media as a good father and good person. Come on, one look at the dude and you can tell he had some deep psychological issues. And there isn't a doubt in my mind that he was wrongly acquitted, but that is neither here nor there.