Male Nurses. - page 5
SO as a Male looking to become a Nurse one day... Is what they say true? Can a Male Nurse really find better jobs with better pay much easier than most Women Nurses? Are the amount of Men in... Read More
May 29, '03I was speaking in general, historical terms, and from the patient's perspective..I was not placing a bulls eye on your back, or your doorstep...
Yes, many in the hospital setting treat docs w/ kid gloves, and as if they were of royalty. But I also see many nurses (not throwing an implication your way, mind you) treating security (and housekeeping, and CNAs, etc) as less than human...Maybe THAT has something to do w/ their response time to nurses...
Just an observation, not necessarily fact...
May 29, '03I see, and doctors treat ancillary/housekeeping personnel SO well, right? (grin). Actually I employ the GOLDEN rule on all I meet and fortunately, so do the the nurses with whom I am fortunate to work. We treat our housekeepers like family, actually, and our security guy gets a cup of coffee from our French press at 3:00 a.m. on his rounds (he loves it). We also thank ancillary personnel EACH time they help us out. But, OK OK I have had enough. You win.
We CAN agree, however that MALE nurses will garner NO special "attention" or "preferential treatment" across the board just because they are MALE, right?Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on May 29, '03
May 29, '03Have I received "special" attention for being male??
Difficult to answer, as it's entirely subjective...
Personally, I would say no. I had a doc confront me in front of a patient. I puled him aside later and gave it back to him...
Where I work, several nurses won't even talk to any other staff but nurses, and become insulted when a non-nurse suggests something medically/patient related...
anyway, I will say that I have seen (in many ERs) male nurses getting less trampled than female nurses, and getting more "perceived" respect...This is a touchy issue, and the debate is endless.
But we can agree that nobody "wins" w/ inequitable treatment of anyone, and we've all likely encountered it, and should all live by the golden ruleLast edit by hogan4736 on May 29, '03
May 29, '03In both places i have worked gender did not affect pay,l there was a structure in place and things were at area average or above for everyone. I have worked with quite a few maels nurses, and i will tell, you-MAN DO I LOVE A MLE NURSE! some male pts seem to respond better, and especially when i have violent or combative (Code violet stuff) it is aweful nice!
May 29, '03Wow---what a HOT topic, but I have to agree with Hogan 4736 the Golden Rule----should not matter what your gender is, all of us are human no matter what else we are, and I would like to think we are ALL good nurse's or we wouldn't be doing it for so dam long----right?????
May 29, '03wow!
read this thread with interest! I personally like working with male nurses............when I trained there very few -only 3 in my group but they helped keep us grounded(until I coloured Darrens hair green-not sure I am forgiven yet!) I think a lot of this comes down to sterotyping us- just watch a carry on doctor film!! I get sexually harrassed because I am female and I am sure it happens to my male nurse friends. At the end of the day, it takes a very special person(with a truly wicked sense of humour) to be a nurse- whether they be male or female. would also agree you need the constitution of an ox and a very thick skin!!
should men get better treatment? dont think so!! and over here the doctors are finding that the 'god' culture is disappearing- my docs make me tea! so times, they are a'changing!
just one thing though- when i was a student and there was a problem on the ward- ie someone had forgotten to do something-my male friends always got off scot free!!!!!!!!! they just smiled sweetly and said 'not me, sister!' wonder if that still happens!! also remember a friend, called Euston, telling a ward sister that he wasnt scared of her( I was terrified of her!) because he 'had the ability to impregnate the whole female population of the world!!' stopped her dead in her tracks...........only time I ever saw her speechless!!!
edited cos I cant spell.........and if there are any mistakes left, then forgive me.....its been a long day!!:roll
May 29, '03hogan4736, in the end I think that was my conclusion too. Not many people have what it takes to ge a good nurse.
MDs in our facility get preferencial treatment. They have their own cafeteria. When we went paperless, i.e. they had to look up their labs and vitals on the computer, they didn't like that. So in addition to the computer charting of labs and vitals a printout is generated and we waste time putting the printouts in the computer so the MDs don't have to waste a precious moment logging onto a computer. I could go on and on. Our hospital kisses some serious butt to get the MDs, especially surgeons to admit to our hospital.
May 30, '03Why in the world would you go into nursing after being an engineer? Do you realize what your pay-cut will be????
* High School
* Dropped out of college
* Four years Army (Grunt!)
* Got medical training in Army as an Infantry NCO
* Went to college for Engineering cause it was interesting and paid $$
* Worked in many engineering and management positions always chasing the $$
* Loved computers ... loved $$ ... went into IT for the $$
* IT industry capsizes, big pay cut, no more $$
I have always sort of chased the money, even though I have lived for periods of time as a Buddhist monk since 1994, and supposedly didn't care about money. I was still chasing it in truth. However, during a messy divorce in 1998 I lost everything. I mean everything. Add in mountains of debt and numerous paycuts due to IT industry meltdown and I have become INTIMATELY familiar with poverty. Nowadays, I really don't care about the money.
In addition, as a Buddhist monk I have taken vows numerous times to help my fellow human beings but my life has not reflected this in any truly meaningful way. So I recycle ... big deal. So I worked in the soup kitchen ... big deal. So I sit on my little cushion and listen to other peoples problems ... big deal.
I loved the medical training in the Army, and I have always had pursuing it in the back of my mind. What better time than now? How better to really serve my fellow man than to empty his bedpan, wash his butt, bandage a festering wound, or just spend an extra few minutes with an old man who's dying alone and trying to make him comfortable?
If not me ... who? If not now ... when?
Rev. Thich Minh Thong
May 30, '03I'm a relatively new nurse, married to a nurse of 12+ years experience. I currently make more money than does she but then again it's most likely due to the fact she works for the health dept. where I work in the hospital. If she chose to go back to the hospital, she would only make a coulple of dollars more an hour than me. As far as the respect issue is concerned, I think people who are knowledgable and speak intelligently get treated with respect. I get called doctor by most of the patients and families because I'm a male. I find myself having to explain to them that I am the nurse and the doctor is a female.
The biggest difference between the male nurses and the female nurses where I work is that the female nurses are more offten interested in what everyone else is doing besides themselves where as the male nurses are not interested in that, and are there to just do the job and maybe even have some fun while doing it. (by the way, this is not inclusive of all females and was not a comment intended to be sexist in anyway so ladies please do not get offended.) Can't we all just get along....
May 30, '03I've been in nursing for 8 years as an RN and I can't say I've ever received a promotion or position due to my sex. I currently work in as office doing precertifications for an Insurance Co and work with 10 other nurses (all female). I am the first male in this office and know for a fact that they didn't hire me because I am a guy! I gotta say the number of male nurses is growing because people are starting to realize that being a male nurse doesn't mean being gay! To be quite honest... Every male nurse that I've ever worked with has been a great nurse. Maybe it is because we are still considered to be the minorities in this field and have to live up to certain expectations. Good luck with your goals.
May 30, '03As a male nurse, coming on 16 years, I haven't seen any difference in pay or advancement, due to gender. And, no, I haven't met any gay male nurses either. Biggest problem I have in working with patients, is many of them consistantly want to call me "doctor". BTW, male nurses were the original nurses here in the U.S.. It was considered very unladylike to work with wounds and body fluids.
May 31, '03Hehe I can't help it wasn't going to respond but every time the gender thing comes up I have to.
Do men advance faster or get higher pay?
No...Remember it's usually women setting the pay scale and hiring for the jobs
The ego stroking comment although a joke was very telling to me. As someone pointed out before the "male ego" has no place in nursing. You have to learn to take orders and even crap from people without the traditional puffing up and posturing that us guys usually do.
Well I am sure some will disagree with me. Being a man in nursing is difficult. I don't think it's any harder then it must have been for the first women doctors.
My grandmothers graduated valedictorian with a 4.5 grade point average and allot of honors. She is one of the most intelligent people male or female I know. She was not allowed in med school because at that time med-schools only excepted 1 women a year and there were people shined up for the next 5 years.
There are many issues you have to deal with as a male in nursing. Patients commonly call me doctor not because they think I am one but because they are afraid to offend me by calling me nurse. I have had many problems with other nurses centered on my gender.
I have had nasty cruel untrue rumors spread about me and had to answer them to administration. My director once conducted interviews of all my patients for 5 weeks to be sure my gender didn't offend them (I got only complements and not one complaint).
I'm not crying or looking for sympathy, I think I have finally come to acceptance of these things and my role as a nurse who happens to be a man. I'm just telling you so you aren't too shocked if you do become a nurse.
The hardest part of being a man in nursing is coming to grips with the conflicts between what society tells you, you should be and what you really are.
I am not gay yet I am comfortable showing love and compassion for other human beings for some people these things just don't make sense and that is the source of much of the male hating that goes on in nursing and the hardest part for me was reconciling all this. So many people (Nurses not patients not doctors just nurses) seemed to think there was something wrong with me, I had to question it my self.
Anyway I dunno if that made sense but just know if you do become a male in nursing you will have to deal with some of these issues. If your reasons are right for being a nurse and you are strong enough you will be fine .. If not then you will be one of those 7.5%